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12-20-2023, 07:56 AM
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I had to look that up.
ILLIBERALISM is opposition to or lack of liberalism.
So taking away personal freedom. Sounds kinda' fascist to me.
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The kind of government that Orban has created in Hungary is often referred to as illiberal democracy.
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12-20-2023, 08:03 AM
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The kind of government that Orban has created in Hungary is often referred to as illiberal democracy.
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Looking up illiberal democracy.
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[4] Elections in an illiberal democracy are often manipulated or rigged, being used to legitimize and consolidate the incumbent rather than to choose the country's leaders and policies
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No wonder a Repuke proposed this.
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12-20-2023, 08:07 AM
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Looking up illiberal democracy.
No wonder a Repuke proposed this.
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They're no longer trying to hide or deny their fascism. It's now a proud feature, not a bug.
Indeed, a political science researcher found that the most prevalent common trait among Trump supporters is their support for authoritarianism.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...tarian-213533/
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12-20-2023, 08:27 AM
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Say what you will about Repukes, they know their audience.
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12-20-2023, 11:11 AM
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Say what you will about Repukes, they know their audience.
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And they speak to them very effectively. Here is an example:
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House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., called the ruling a "thinly veiled partisan attack" in a posting on X.
"Regardless of political affiliation, every citizen registered to vote should not be denied the right to support our former president and the individual who is the leader in every poll of the Republican primary," Johnson said, adding that he believes the decision will be overturned by the Supreme Court.
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The former president he is referring to is under 91 felony indictments and the justices in Colorado have determined that he was the leader of an insurrection.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...on/ar-AA1lL3fV
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12-20-2023, 12:44 PM
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he was the leader of an insurrection.
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While I agree, until he is charged and convicted he was not.
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12-20-2023, 01:21 PM
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While I agree, until he is charged and convicted he was not.
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I was stating that the justices in Colorado determined that he was.
And btw, he has not been charged with insurrection by the DOJ/Jack Smith either (and I believe this was intentional), so will not be convicted of insurrection and this is moot.
Now had Trump marched with his posse to the capital, that would have been an entirely different matter. He had the feckless clueless MAG morons march instead and most f them have scored felony convictions for their efforts. Even their grounds for conviction is being appealed.
After ruling on all of the Trump related legal matters, the SCOTUS will need an year long vacation to hide.
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12-20-2023, 06:57 PM
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By word and deed, he openly led an insurrection to subvert the certification of the election result, whether or not a proceeding says he committed the obvious act.
The fascinatingly lame defense being offered that his irresponsible treachery is protected by the first amendment as "free speech".
This is the standard of the "party of values".
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12-20-2023, 08:33 PM
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This "Trump has not been convicted" is a dumb stupid argument put forth by the right.
Using the same logic, a murderer arrested by law enforcement and jailed usually will not be set free until after trial and judgement. Why not? He has not been convicted yet so he is not guilty of any crime is he?
Try that lame excuse after you commit your next murder.
Trump's insurrection was watched by millions in real time on TV and other media devices, plain and simple.
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12-21-2023, 12:28 AM
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While I agree, until he is charged and convicted he was not.
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The 14 Amendment calls for the disqualification of insurrectionists, not of persons convicted of some particular crime. The matter was duly adjudicated by the court in Colorado. The judge ruled explicitly on this question of fact. Trump had every opportunity to introduce evidence to the contrary. He was judged to be an insurrectioist by due process of law.
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