Mass Murder In Maine At Least 16 Dead

[Pio1980]

Let's say everybody gets access to revolutionary period vehicles without training or qualification by conditional, otherwise vaguely phrased statute, never mind advanced speedy motorized vehicles didn't exist under "original intent". After a rash of wreckage and injuries/deaths, what can be done to ameliorate the cascading mayhem is thwarted by absolutists whining about "taking our freedoms" and being "the cost of such freedoms", tho the FFs had no possible inkling of fast motorized carriages piloted by irresponsible incompetent unstable drivers.
Is this even remotely rational in an ordered organised civilization?

[Oerets]

The United States in it's current state is seemingly losing the ability to be even considered civilized.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Oerets

The United States in it's current state is seemingly losing the ability to be even considered civilized.

When it comes to...

Guns
Healthcare
Public education
Women's body autonomy
Who's fucking who

...completely uncivilized.

Outside of Islam, where women are still having clitorectomies perped on them when they're children, it's pretty much the most uncivilized country on earth. And has been, long before Donald Trump and the seditionist GOP. The US has long been the most uncivilized of all first world nations (with the exception of about 15 years in Germany). Ask somebody from Denmark or Belgium what they think about US gun laws, abortion laws, health care, maternity leave, and it's smfh.

Europeans, who certainly have had to identify many of their own problems, and who have tried to find reasonable ways of dealing with these problems, think we are fucking nuts. They are absolutely fucking right.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

When it comes to...

Guns
Healthcare
Public education
Women's body autonomy
Who's fucking who

...completely uncivilized.

Outside of Islam, where women are still having clitorectomies perped on them when they're children, it's pretty much the most uncivilized country on earth. And has been, long before Donald Trump and the seditionist GOP. The US has long been the most uncivilized of all first world nations (with the exception of about 15 years in Germany). Ask somebody from Denmark or Belgium what they think about US gun laws, abortion laws, health care, maternity leave, and it's smfh.

Europeans, who certainly have had to identify many of their own problems, and who have tried to find reasonable ways of dealing with these problems, think we are fucking nuts. They are absolutely fucking right.

Europe isn't as progressive as you might think when it comes to abortion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aborti...y_jurisdiction

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Europe isn't as progressive as you might think when it comes to abortion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aborti...y_jurisdiction

OK finn, you make me a liar again. OK, unpopular with Catholic Europeans. But thats just because Catholics are afraid of their own denomination. Which, by the way, they should be.

[Pio1980]

Basically two types of practicing Catholics, those who embrace authoratarianism unreservedly, and those who resist or disregard it while embracing their faith.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

OK finn, you make me a liar again. OK, unpopular with Catholic Europeans. But thats just because Catholics are afraid of their own denomination. Which, by the way, they should be.

I'm not calling you a liar. It has become clear, however, that you have some very strong opinions that are often based on erroneous information or are extrapolated from single data points. You'd be wise not get so butt hurt about being told how your conclusions are based on bogus info.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Shot at the goddamn bowling alley fer christ's sake.

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I've asked, over and over, on every current events forum that I have ever inhabited, for a rational and operationally feasible way to get guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. Nobody liberal or conservative has ever been able to provide a way. There are just as many "nut jobs" per capita in the EU as there are in the US. Why do we have 22 times the number of gun homicides per capita as in the EU? Because handguns and assault weapons or "war weapons" are virtually impossible to get in the EU. Most republican politicians have refused to support handgun restrictions on the legally blind for christ's sake.

From what I've read, this guy had a domestic violence history. For sure anybody who has a recorded history of domestic violence problems, and anybody who has ever had a court order of protection placed on them, should not be able get their hands on any gun of any kind.

What "red flags"? We don't need no stinkin' red flag laws.
https://apnews.com/article/lewiston-...e07bcfc63760ca

Maine mass shooter's family reached out to sheriff 5 months before rampage, office says

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I'm not calling you a liar. It has become clear, however, that you have some very strong opinions that are often based on erroneous information or are extrapolated from single data points. You'd be wise not get so butt hurt about being told how your conclusions are based on bogus info.

It was a joke, for christ's sake. But yes, I do have some very strong opinions which, like yours are backed up by other opinions. The opinions you buy into are no more accurate than anybody else's opinions in this joint.

PS - I am not butthurt...I enjoy making comments infused with an occasional note of levity. Perhaps you should look into a sense of humor booster.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

What "red flags"? We don't need no stinkin' red flag laws.
https://apnews.com/article/lewiston-...e07bcfc63760ca

Maine mass shooter's family reached out to sheriff 5 months before rampage, office says

It's fucking unbelievable. Robert Card, with a fucking history of mental health issues and violent and threatening interpersonal behavior, and just right out front being a beligerent asshole, cannot be denied his right to buy a semi-automatic weapon in this shithole country. The guy wasn't diagnosed as psychotic, bi polar, or depressed. He was a fucking homicidal sociopath...homicidal violent antisocial sociopaths cannot be denied their right to own an AR15. It's not like they're psychotic, now is it?

Federal officials have said that Mr. Card legally bought some guns just days before the shooting. The F.B.I. said there was nothing to prevent him from legally purchasing weapons. - New York Times 10/31/23

Everybody in this country has the government they deserve.