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09-17-2023, 05:28 PM
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No proof is needed when facts can be made up as you go.
There is a word for it, LIE.
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09-17-2023, 05:59 PM
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and some people around here are inhaling deeply.
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Got a nice Blueberry Kush going here. Too bad I'm down to the last of this '21 vintage.
puff, puff - pass.
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09-17-2023, 06:08 PM
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Bother me? Why should it? Thus far, there is zero evidence of Joe Biden having engaged in any criminal activity.
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Uh huh..... Right....
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Seriously Mike this is a tell that you don't give a shit about facts OR the law.
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09-17-2023, 08:51 PM
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Seriously Mike this is a tell that you don't give a shit about facts OR the law.
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Funny thing is, there's nothing new about these allegations against the Biden family. Back in 2019, Politico published a lengthy article about it:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...mpaign-227407/
During the 2020 campaign, Biden specifically denied his son made money in China. Now we know that it's not true, and one of Biden's business contacts was convicted of bribery.
Biden has stated that he never discussed business with his son. We now know that's false, with photos and correspondence to back that up. That correspondence also includes messages from Hunter to the rest of the family about how his dad takes half his salary. Feed "the brand", I guess.
No evidence? Only if you have blinders on and earplugs in.
As far as facts, articles like the one above aren't hard to find. It's not that I don't care about the facts, it's that some folks ignore the facts when they're inconvenient.
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09-18-2023, 12:39 AM
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Link one is Politico weighing in during the 2019 primary campaign with an article claiming "Biden’s image ... is clouded by the careers of his son and brother, who have lengthy track records of making, or seeking, deals that cash in on his name." But they go on to say, in this paragraph near the top of the piece, "There’s no evidence that Joe Biden used his power inappropriately or took action to benefit his relatives with respect to these ventures." So your first 'evidence' says there's no evidence.
'Evidence' in link two is sourced to 'Hunter Biden's laptop.' The story makes no mention of the severe credibility issues of this source.
Zero for two. Mark's allegation that "you don't give a shit about facts OR the law" is not challenged.
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09-18-2023, 01:24 AM
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Thank you, DonQuixote, for once again proving Whell a liar.
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09-18-2023, 07:16 AM
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Link one is Politico weighing in during the 2019 primary campaign with an article claiming "Biden’s image ... is clouded by the careers of his son and brother, who have lengthy track records of making, or seeking, deals that cash in on his name." But they go on to say, in this paragraph near the top of the piece, "There’s no evidence that Joe Biden used his power inappropriately or took action to benefit his relatives with respect to these ventures." So your first 'evidence' says there's no evidence.
'Evidence' in link two is sourced to 'Hunter Biden's laptop.' The story makes no mention of the severe credibility issues of this source.
Zero for two. Mark's allegation that "you don't give a shit about facts OR the law" is not challenged.
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Thank you, DonQuixote, for once again proving Whell a liar.
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What a couple of tools! Yes, the first link says exactly that. The point of posting the Politico story - FROM 2019 - was to illustrate that there's nothing new to the allegations. Folks have known about the unethical use of Biden's name in their business dealings for years. What's also interesting and unsettling are the individuals they've chosen to do business with, and the legal issues that follow those folks.
The 2nd link's purpose was to show that things have changed since 2019, and that we now know that Biden's denials about his involvement in his son's business dealings, including businesses linked to the Chinese Communist Party, don't survive scrutiny.
Leave it to you to septic tanks to lie and mischaracterize my post. This is exactly the process you use to "win" arguments.
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09-18-2023, 08:02 AM
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What a couple of tools! Yes, the first link says exactly that. The point of posting the Politico story - FROM 2019 - was to illustrate that there's nothing new to the allegations. Folks have known about the unethical use of Biden's name in their business dealings for years. What's also interesting and unsettling are the individuals they've chosen to do business with, and the legal issues that follow those folks.
The 2nd link's purpose was to show that things have changed since 2019, and that we now know that Biden's denials about his involvement in his son's business dealings, including businesses linked to the Chinese Communist Party, don't survive scrutiny.
Leave it to you to septic tanks to lie and mischaracterize my post. This is exactly the process you use to "win" arguments.
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List specifically the laws Biden broke and the underlying, verified actions supporting these claims. Otherwise, you are pissing in the wind. Again.
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09-18-2023, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by whell
Funny thing is, there's nothing new about these allegations against the Biden family. Back in 2019, Politico published a lengthy article about it.
During the 2020 campaign, Biden specifically denied his son made money in China. Now we know that it's not true, and one of Biden's business contacts was convicted of bribery.
Biden has stated that he never discussed business with his son. We now know that's false, with photos and correspondence to back that up. That correspondence also includes messages from Hunter to the rest of the family about how his dad takes half his salary. Feed "the brand", I guess.
No evidence? Only if you have blinders on and earplugs in.
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Interesting (but not really) how this guy believes every allegation he's fed about the Bidens, but ignores the very same things the tRump's have a history of doing. I guess when one's radicalized it's easy to have such selective vision.
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It's not that I don't care about the facts, it's that some folks ignore the facts when they're inconvenient.
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Boy howdy what a mouthful. Too bad he doesn't recognize the irony
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09-18-2023, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by whell
What a couple of tools! Yes, the first link says exactly that. The point of posting the Politico story - FROM 2019 - was to illustrate that there's nothing new to the allegations. Folks have known about the unethical use of Biden's name in their business dealings for years. What's also interesting and unsettling are the individuals they've chosen to do business with, and the legal issues that follow those folks.
The 2nd link's purpose was to show that things have changed since 2019, and that we now know that Biden's denials about his involvement in his son's business dealings, including businesses linked to the Chinese Communist Party, don't survive scrutiny.
Leave it to you to septic tanks to lie and mischaracterize my post. This is exactly the process you use to "win" arguments.
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Substitute “Trump” for “Biden”, multiply by 1,000, add actual proof, and you’ll have a factual statement.
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