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09-05-2023, 03:12 PM
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Hah. I say they are worse than wasted. The main people attracted to this possibility are Republicans and independents who are not now willing to support Trump, but who don't like Biden either. Some of these voters would decide defeating Trump was important enough that they needed to vote for Biden. Every one of such persons who vote for a third party or a write-in is one less vote for Biden, and that HELPS TRUMP WIN. Which is worse than wasting a vote.
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I can see you're one of those lesser-of-two-evils voter. You assume either an R or a D must one, and you see the D as preferable. I propose an informed electorate can self-organize around a write-in candidate and consign the national duopoly to the dumpster, where it belongs.
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09-05-2023, 03:30 PM
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I can see you're one of those lesser-of-two-evils voter. You assume either an R or a D must one, and you see the D as preferable. I propose an informed electorate can self-organize around a write-in candidate and consign the national duopoly to the dumpster, where it belongs.
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It may belong in the dumpster, but it will take serious money to dispatch them there. Ever heard of Citizens United and "Corporations are people too"? Besides the money, it will also require major organization and guess what?
Between the two major parties they have this gamed, Left, Right and Center.
No more Ross Perot's.
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09-05-2023, 03:51 PM
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Write In Votes, No Labels ect.....
Pie in the sky, wishful thinking on the part of naive voters into thinking they can change or improve our current system.
Being used by those who wish to grantee a Trump victory.
Any who votes for a Republican or third party choice is just as guilty as those behind the the take over the country. Along with the results to come afterwards.
There will be no safe place saying your a MAGA Christian ect....
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09-05-2023, 04:49 PM
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I can see you're one of those lesser-of-two-evils voter. You assume either an R or a D must one, and you see the D as preferable. I propose an informed electorate can self-organize around a write-in candidate and consign the national duopoly to the dumpster, where it belongs.
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It's not an assumption, it's a political reality. Basically, in any race it's going to be liberals vs conservatives. If one side sticks together, and the other splits it's votes among two or more candidates, the stick-togethers are going to win. This is why a winner-take-all system is generally going to wind up with two major parties, and it's why third parties in such a system die sooner or later, of win starvation. I can see a goal of replacing the GOP, which has gone fascist, with a reasonable conservative party. We very much need one of those. Maybe you could help identify a good leader for one with your movement. That could make sense.
I am pleased to have your assurance that this is your own grass-roots project, and not a GOP trick. On that basis, I no longer see this doing much harm.
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09-05-2023, 04:51 PM
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You're missing the point completely. (Probably you didn't bother reading anything on the website.) The point is this, the website provides a platform (similar to this discussion board) for voters to caucus with other voters in their own state to write-in the name of a candidate with a significant number of votes. When a few thousand people write in Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, or the names of close friends, then the ballots are wasted. If they all decide to write in the name of a recognized leader, then ...
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You know, most of us here have been around long enough to know exactly what happens when enough people do what you are proposing (Hint: it isn’t the write in person winning)
So, in short, we know better.
Again, terrible idea.
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09-05-2023, 05:54 PM
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It will not be a race of liberals vs conservatives.
Do not fool yourself.
No, rather one of rights and freedom V control and subjugation!
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09-05-2023, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rajoo
It may belong in the dumpster, but it will take serious money to dispatch them there. Ever heard of Citizens United and "Corporations are people too"? Besides the money, it will also require major organization and guess what?
Between the two major parties they have this gamed, Left, Right and Center.
bNo more Ross Perot's.
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You haven't lost until you've quit trying.
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09-05-2023, 06:37 PM
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Write In Votes, No Labels ect.....
Pie in the sky, wishful thinking on the part of naive voters into thinking they can change or improve our current system.
Being used by those who wish to grantee a Trump victory.
Any who votes for a Republican or third party choice is just as guilty as those behind the the take over the country. Along with the results to come afterwards.
There will be no safe place saying your a MAGA Christian ect....
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Exactly, don't waste time with third parties... caucus and rally around a write-in!
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09-05-2023, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by donquixote99
It's not an assumption, it's a political reality. Basically, in any race it's going to be liberals vs conservatives. If one side sticks together, and the other splits it's votes among two or more candidates, the stick-togethers are going to win. This is why a winner-take-all system is generally going to wind up with two major parties, and it's why third parties in such a system die sooner or later, of win starvation. I can see a goal of replacing the GOP, which has gone fascist, with a reasonable conservative party. We very much need one of those. Maybe you could help identify a good leader for one with your movement. That could make sense.
I am pleased to have your assurance that this is your own grass-roots project, and not a GOP trick. On that basis, I no longer see this doing much harm.
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Correct, I am personally and independent and I am pursuing this "experiment" because all the polling suggests it will be a re-run of 2020 AND the polling indicates the majority of registered voters don't want either of those bums.
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09-05-2023, 06:42 PM
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You know, most of us here have been around long enough to know exactly what happens when enough people do what you are proposing (Hint: it isn’t the write in person winning)
So, in short, we know better.
Again, terrible idea.
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It may be a terrible idea, but it's not nearly as bad as re-electing Biden or Trump!
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