The Trump Crime Family - Legal Issues

[Chicks]

Mark Meadows seeks to move Fulton County election interference case to federal court
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...urt-rcna100092

Ironic that these "states rights", small federal gummit types want big gummit to handle this case, in which they committed felonies against the state of GA...

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

My point was that an overt act (including speech), even if legal, is something that supports the conspiracy and telling lies can most certainly support a fraud conspiracy. Indeed, lies are an integral element of criminal fraud (defined as "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain"). In short, telling lies may well be "protected speech" (i.e., you may have the right to lie) but a lie in the furtherance of a conspiracy to defraud is not "protected speech," it's evidence.

It's evidence, but again, it needs to be evidence of a conspiracy to commit a crime. Is an election night speech where he outlines why he's questioning election results evidence of the intent to commit a crime? A tweet that was directed to no one in particular?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

It's evidence, but again, it needs to be evidence of a conspiracy to commit a crime. Is an election night speech where he outlines why he's questioning election results evidence of the intent to commit a crime? A tweet that was directed to no one in particular?

It can be and Fani Willis, an acknowledged expert in the use of Georgia's RICO statute in criminal prosecutions, believes it is. Who am I (or you) to argue with her? Leave that to the esteemed Trump parking lot attorney, Alina Habba.

This article by David French, a life-long conservative and an attorney whose specialty is First Amendment issues explains how and why Trump's lies are central to the RICO conspiracy. He states:

"The best way to think about Georgia’s sprawling indictment against Donald Trump and his allies is that it is a case about lies. It’s about lying, conspiring to lie and attempting to coax, coerce and cajole others into lying... Georgia’s racketeering statute allows prosecutors to charge, among other crimes, a number of false statement statutes as part of a generalized criminal scheme. In other words, rather than seeing each actionable lie as its own, discrete criminal act, those lies can also be aggregated into part of a larger whole: an alleged racketeering enterprise designed to alter the results of the Georgia presidential election."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/15/o...ment-case.html

The bigger question is why are you now defending Trump's coup conspiracy and refusing to believe what your eyes should have told you years ago? After all, your party is the one that talks constantly about "election integrity" and here we have a clear case of attempted election fraud and you're trying to nitpick it to death and pretend it didn't happen. Whassup with that?

[Chicks]

Jonathan Turley Brings Flair For Blatantly Misstating Basic Legal Concepts To The Trump Indictment
https://abovethelaw.com/2023/08/jona...rt-acts/?amp=1

One of the many buffoons of Whell’s World.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Jonathan Turley Brings Flair For Blatantly Misstating Basic Legal Concepts To The Trump Indictment
https://abovethelaw.com/2023/08/jona...rt-acts/?amp=1

One of the many buffoons of Whell’s World.

As I've previously asserted, Whell's "legal analysis" often seems to parrot verbatim Turley's bad faith bullshit. It's unclear if Whell believes this bullshit and thinks he's repeating a valid argument or if he knows that it's disingenuous bullshit designed to sway the less-informed, but it's the best thing he can come up with to obfuscate Trump's legal troubles and keep the argument going.

[Chicks]

“Just Say That the Election Was Corrupt, and Leave the Rest to Me”: In Georgia, Donald Trump Appears Beyond F--ked
The ex-president* operated like a Mafia boss and, thanks to a new racketeering charge, may go down like one too.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023...gia-indictment

He'll be booked by the sheriff - hopefully will be held without bail, which he so richly deserves.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

It's evidence, but again, it needs to be evidence of a conspiracy to commit a crime. Is an election night speech where he outlines why he's questioning election results evidence of the intent to commit a crime? A tweet that was directed to no one in particular?

Originally Posted by Chicks

“Just Say That the Election Was Corrupt, and Leave the Rest to Me”: In Georgia, Donald Trump Appears Beyond F--ked
The ex-president* operated like a Mafia boss and, thanks to a new racketeering charge, may go down like one too.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023...gia-indictment

He'll be booked by the sheriff - hopefully will be held without bail, which he so richly deserves.

In a nutshell, there is Trump's perfect phone call. And the guy he called I not a MAGAt.
And if the charges are weak, they will get thrown out, but not because you said so.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It can be and Fani Willis, an acknowledged expert in the use of Georgia's RICO statute in criminal prosecutions, believes it is. Who am I (or you) to argue with her? Leave that to the esteemed Trump parking lot attorney, Alina Habba.

Her expertise, such as it is, will be a moot point if the case gets removed to Federal Court.

Also, you guys love to complain about Judge Cannon's lack of "experience". Well, the Georgia judge that drew Trump's case has been on the bench for 6 months.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/scott-m...-case-c9beac23

This ought to be interesting to watch.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

As I've previously asserted, Whell's "legal analysis" often seems to parrot verbatim Turley's bad faith bullshit. It's unclear if Whell believes this bullshit and thinks he's repeating a valid argument or if he knows that it's disingenuous bullshit designed to sway the less-informed, but it's the best thing he can come up with to obfuscate Trump's legal troubles and keep the argument going.

Still trying to spike the ball on the 50 yard line. You go, boyo!

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

Still trying to spike the ball on the 50 yard line. You go, boyo!

You have zero room to toss that accusation, Michael Whell. You've learned the GQP strategy well, accuse others of what you yourself have done. Like a whiny fecking brat.

Finnbow has taken every snide shit you've tossed his way and handed you your ass every time, boy.