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[Rajoo]

Mr Whell, may I suggest this graphic for your avatar here. (GRIN)

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by whell View Post
The fact that Joe Biden has been doing this kind of crap for years and made the decision to bring his son in on the caper is what is relevant.

What caper would that be sir? That whell considers Biden a bigger grifter than the

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solidifies him as T.F.L. above all others.

[Rajoo]

The GOP mantra:

Biden is an illegitimate president, only MAGAts bought that.
Biden and Dems are Radical Soshialists, that did not work either and wonder why.
Then the Biden economy, the next pandemic. This really made the Repugnants look bad. Some of them even took credit for the turnaround.
Hunter Biden.....well the JD offered a plea bargain deal and that ended this circus.
Joe Biden, criminal, corrupt politician. But nothing there.

So what is the Repugnant Goppers' next move? Begin attacking Kamala and why not? She is a black woman and 1st in line for the presidency. Not kidding, Trump groupie Nikki Haley brought this up specifically in a campaign speech, "do not vote for Kamala Harris" and we know what she is implying. Not a verbatim quote, but from memory.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Trump OTOH,

Changing the topic as usual...

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It is not an outlet for political commentary, per se. Its entire reason for being is to expose and rebut the Fox News lies...

Bull shit. It's a 501(c)3 lobbying and disinformation outlet. Right on the home page today of MM is the same story that P Bump was lying about in WaPo, and you cited:

https://www.mediamatters.org/daily-c...ight-wing-hype

It's probably where Bump got his talking points from, and demonstrates that MM is a lie factory for the left. Probably why you like them so much.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Changing the topic as usual...

I am comparing and contrasting between the current POTUS and the former POS. Quite legitimate if you ask around.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It is not an outlet for political commentary, per se. Its entire reason for being is to expose and rebut the Fox News lies you believe and often dutifully regurgitate here. It keeps them (and me) quite busy.

Moreover, you cited The Nation (the furthest left of all long-standing political journals) as "evidence." Coming from you, that was simply too rich to let pass.

It's an admission on Mike's part that he's incapable of discerning between horseshit and facts. He trots out the Nation so he can play some adolescent 'gotcha' game while he regurgitates Newsmax and other far right sources.

Maybe his bullshit detector needs recapping and calibrating?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Bull shit. It's a 501(c)3 lobbying and disinformation outlet. Right on the home page today of MM is the same story that P Bump was lying about in WaPo, and you cited:

https://www.mediamatters.org/daily-c...ight-wing-hype

It's probably where Bump got his talking points from, and demonstrates that MM is a lie factory for the left. Probably why you like them so much.

Their mission is to serve as a "research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."

Correcting wingnut media's lies is not disinformation, Kellyanne, even if you credulously buy into all their bullshit. Your link provides an excellent example of this, providing chapter and verse of the lies by wingnut media and the testimony that refutes them.

In any event, I still don't give a shit about Biden's wayward son. My interest in his erstwhile debauched lifestyle interests me about as much as the latest happenings in the Kardashian family.

[finnbow]

George Conway (ex-husband of Ms. Alternative Facts (and apparent inspiration for Whell's non-stop spewing of alternative facts)):

They’ve addicted themselves to these lies. They live off of these lies, the conservative media profits off of these lies, the political consultants profit off of these lies. The congressmen basically make a living selling these lies to the American people for contributions and funding—they’re lining their pockets or providing for their necessities of life through their PACs and whatever. There’s no way out, because they basically locked in a certain number of people to these lies. Ultimately, you’re going to end up with a core of the party that kind of eats itself up, and the rest of the party is just going to fall off and become independent to the extent it hasn’t already.


https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/republ...-beyond-repair

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Their mission is to serve as a "research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."

Correcting wingnut media's lies is not disinformation, Kellyanne, even if you credulously buy into all their bullshit. Your link provides an excellent example of this, providing chapter and verse of the lies by wingnut media and the testimony that refutes them.

Again, is originating and repeating their own lies part of Media Matters' process for "correcting disinformation"? I linked to an article that is clearly based on misinformation right on Media Matters' website. But I see you ignored that and stuck to your BS talking points.

Originally Posted by finnbow

In any event, I still don't give a shit about Biden's wayward son. My interest in his erstwhile debauched lifestyle interests me about as much as the latest happenings in the Kardashian family.

Well, my disinterested friend, there's a lot of lying going on. Lying is part and parcel of politics, so you have to learn to parse through the BS that is dished out from folks on both sides of the aisle.

So, here's some parsing. During the 2020 debates:

Kristen Welker: “Vice President Biden, there have been questions about the work your son has done in China and for a Ukrainian energy company when you were vice president; in retrospect, was anything about those relationships inappropriate or unethical?”

Joe Biden: “Nothing was unethical. … My son has not made money in terms of this thing about, what are you talking about, China. I have not had … the only guy who made money from China is this guy [Donald Trump]. He’s the only one. Nobody else has made money from China.”

Here's WaPo's four Pinocchio take on that, albeit almost 3 years later:

But the fact remains that Biden, during the debate, denied his son had made money in China. In court last week, his son said he earned hundreds of thousands of dollars from Chinese business deals.

The "in court last week" reference was to the "plea deal" that blew up. The plea agreement document was filed with the court and therefore became available for public scrutiny. In that document, the US Gov't lays out Hunter's involvement with Chinese "investors" and "conglomerates.

So, Joe lied. You can stop your inquiry there and claim that "Joe wasn't lying. He simply didn't know because he claims that he was never involved with his son's business. OK, stipulated.

But then again, Joe's a liar. How do we know this? Well, for one thing, he's a politician, so it kind of comes with the territory. But there's a lot of ink being spilled and internet bandwidth consumed documenting Joe's lying. Here are just a few examples:

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...aker=joe-biden

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...cker-100-days/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/10/u...falsehood.html

https://www.axios.com/2019/08/29/joe...2020-president

So, if he's a documented and very capable liar, then its reasonable to assume that there's a possibility he's lying about not being involved in his son's business affairs. Is there any evidence to support this?

Sure there is. We heard that Hunter, in the midst of meeting with potential clients, would call his dad and put him on speakerphone. According to D Archer, they'd discuss nothing specifically related to any business deals. But Hunter would tell his data who he was with. Now, I've been a part of a number of meetings with prospective clients. Never once did it ever occur to me to call my dad. But, if the "brand" for your business is Joe Biden, as Archer confirmed, then calling dad to close the deal is the perfect way to demonstrate your business's capabilities.

Then, of course, there are the photographs of Joe and Hunter smiling in photos with Hunter's business partners.

And there was Archer's testimony, where he carefully phrased that he couldn't rule out Joe's involvement.

17 Q So is it fair to say that Hunter Biden was selling the illusion of access to his
18 father?
19 A Yes.
20 Q So when you talk about selling the brand --
21 A Uh-huh.
22 Q -- it's not about selling access to his father. It's about selling the illusion of
23 access to his father. Is that fair?
A Is that fair? I mean, yeah, that is -- I think that's -- that's almost fair.
25 Q Almost fair. Why almost fair?
Because there -- there is -- 1 there are touch points and contact points that I
2 can't deny that happened, but nothing of material was discussed. But I can't go on
3 record saying that there was -- there was communications.
4 Mr. Goldman. You mean --
5 Mr. Archer. Yeah, yeah.
6 Mr. Goldman. -- hello and --
7 Mr. Archer. Yeah, there were communications.

He was careful in his testimony that he never was part of any business communications between Hunter and Joe. But his testimony also states that he was aware that they occurred.

So, Joe lied about money from China. Over time, evidence accumulated to the point were even WaPo had to confirm Biden was lying. Could be be lying about his involvement in those business deals, some of which were with businesses with direct ties to the Chinese Communist Party? The evidence above, and there's much more, shows that: 1) your constant claim of "there's no evidence" is false, and 2) it can't be ruled out that Joe Biden was involved in Hunter's influence-pedaling scheme.