Is Today's Trumpist GOP Fascist?

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

None of this has anything whatsoever to do with the Trump GOP and its current descent into and embrace of fascism.

Originally Posted by finnbow

Your ignorance of history overlooks the fact that loads of Americans of all stripes supported fascism or communism during the Great Depression. Indeed Hitler drew significant inspiration from earlier American writings on eugenics.

Then why did you bring it up??? What a tool!

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Originally Posted by finnbow

Accordingly, obfuscation is indeed the right word to describe it.

OK, I agree with you that you're obfuscating.

Originally Posted by finnbow

Also antisemitism is not remotely partisan. It exists today, to some degree, in both political parties as well as among the unaffiliated. It has existed for centuries and indeed predates the existence of political parties.

Uh, OK. I agree with this. But are you obfuscating again, 'cuz this has nothing to do with Trump.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Where is the lie that Dear Leader is likely to be indicted again soon? He said it himself.

Go back to post 292 and see what I highlighted. That's what you keep lying about.

Originally Posted by finnbow

As for the fake elector scheme, these were not just some random people. They were leaders of the Michigan GOP (one was also a very close friend of the RNC Chair Ronna MsDaniel) in close coordination with Trump attorneys Kenneth Chesebro and Rudy Guiliani.

And Michigan was not the only state where GOP officials were involved in the coup conspiracy. The 84 people from 7 key states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin) who signed bogus documents claiming that Donald Trump won the 2020 election include dozens of local Republican Party leaders, four current candidates for public office, six current office holders and at least five previous state and federal office holders.

In short, authoritarianism is deeply embedded within the leadership ranks of the Trump GOP.
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As I said earlier in this thread, on this topic, if someone committed a crime, they'll need to answer for it.

However, for the media - and you - to paint this like it is some kind of criminal scheme is a stretch. Fiing alternate slates of electors with election results still pending, is not unprecedented. Becasue a few Democrat AG's are alleging criminality here doesn't mean that criminally occurred. To claim this is evidence of authoritarianism is sophistry.

[Rajoo]

Some interesting voter profiles.

While American voters historically have tended somewhat to become more conservative as they age, no one should expect these voting patterns to change drastically. About 48 percent of Gen Z voters identify as a person of color, while the boomers they’re replacing in the electorate are 72 percent White. Gen Z voters are on track to be the most educated group in our history, and the majority of college graduates are now female. Because voting participation correlates positively with education, expect women to speak with a bigger voice in our coming elections. Gen Z voters are much more likely to cite gender fluidity as a value, and they list racism among their greatest concerns. Further, they are the least religious generation in our history. No wonder there’s discussion in some parts of the GOP about raising the voting age to 25, and among some Democrats about lowering it to 16!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...z-voters-2024/

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Then why did you bring it up??? What a tool!

OK, I agree with you that you're obfuscating.

Uh, OK. I agree with this. But are you obfuscating again, 'cuz this has nothing to do with Trump.

Cut the shit. You and I both know I was responding to your lame attempt at obfuscation and whataboutism.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Cut the shit. You and I both know I was responding to your lame attempt at obfuscation and whataboutism.

Bullshit YOU brought up the subject, claiming I didn't know the history and that there were fans of fascism in the US. You just didn't like it when I pointed out that one of the most notable Hitler fanboys was a Democrat.

Don't blame me for something YOU brought up.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

As I said earlier in this thread, on this topic, if someone committed a crime, they'll need to answer for it.

However, for the media - and you - to paint this like it is some kind of criminal scheme is a stretch. Fiing alternate slates of electors with election results still pending, is not unprecedented. Becasue a few Democrat AG's are alleging criminality here doesn't mean that criminally occurred.

WTF? A federal judge in CA already said that the fake elector scheme was more likely than not a crime. Its author, John Eastman, (and a bunch of other Trump lawyers) face disbarment (or worse) for it.

Second, the election was not still pending. The results had already been certified in Michigan. Furthermore, much of their illegal activity occurred after the safe harbor day of December 8, after which election disputes are not allowed.

Lastly, the charges they face focus on their forgeries and false claims (and not the fake electors scheme, per se) which are pretty much indisputable.

Watch the Nessell statement on YouTube. She lays out the case quite clearly, not that I think you really want to understand it. It would extinguish your bad faith arguments.

[Chicks]

Wow. Following the "logic" of a diseased mind like Whell's is really something to behold. He's as sick as his Dear Leader.

[Rajoo]

Why a third indictment of Trump could be such a profound stain on his legacy

Former Trump lawyer Ty Cobb told CNN’s Erin Burnett on Tuesday that any potential indictment relating to election interference ought to be viewed as a particularly historic stain. “It should concern him more because it will be a legacy-defining decision far greater than the Mar-a-Lago offenses,” Cobb said. “This is one of the great constitutional insults of our time. The country owes it to itself to reassert the rule of law and demonstrate that at least the vision of America is something we are willing to protect and hopefully deter (future threats to that vision) through punishment of Trump if he is convicted.”

Retired federal Judge J. Michael Luttig, a renowned conservative legal scholar, reacted to signs Smith may indict Trump over his attempts to invalidate the 2020 election by saying any other attorney general or special counsel would do the same.

“The former president has left Jack Smith no choice but to bring charges, lest the former president make a mockery of the Constitution of the United States and the Rule of Law,” Luttig said in a statement.

And Jeffrey Sloman, a former US Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, summed up the national challenge posed by Trump’s existing indictments in the heat of an election this way: “These are momentous times, the fact that the former president is the defendant in a federal case is quite unusual … these are unprecedented times.”

The Trump & GOP argument that these indictments are political is indeed disingenuous. But by giving Trump a pass from litigation say until after the election will be practically Trump a pass for his criminal activities to get elected, in effect electing a criminal in the eyes of a majority of Americans to the WH.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/19/polit...sis/index.html

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Why a third indictment of Trump could be such a profound stain on his legacy

And if a third indictment is bad, four indictments is worse yet, eh?

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Wow. Following the "logic" of a diseased mind like Whell's is really something to behold. He's as sick as his Dear Leader.

Yes, like alleging that submitting a false or bogus slate of electors is normal and only Democratic? DA's will bring charges?

Isn't that election fraud, usually a felony like if I submitted a false vote?