Is Today's Trumpist GOP Fascist?

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I sleep just fine. I am just not particularly fond that one of our political parties now embraces fascism and that people like you are too stupid to realize it.

You are also too dumb to realize that denying Trump is a fascist because you like him reflects more upon you than him. Unlike you, I am not willing to defend the aspirations of a narcissistic, criminal toddler for unchecked power.

I reject your stupid assumption that an entire political party embraces fascism. There's no evidence to support that. I'm not a supporter of the Dem party, but I don't label the entire party communist or socializt, even though there are elected folks in the Dem party (or caucus with the Dems) that sound more like Karl Marx than Abraham Lincoln on any given day.

You want these stupid labels to stick because, I guess, you think it provides some sort of debate advantage. You also continue for the same reason to state that "I like Trump" when I've posted no allegiance to Trump and I've specifically stated that I have no wish to see him return to the White House. You state that I "defend" Trump, when time and again I've stated that my disdain for the MSM' does not equal defense of Trump.

Bottom line - you lie and demagog the facts to gird your facile arguments. It's funny to watch, but your schtick is getting old.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

More SPLC bullshit.

Moms for Liberty among conservative groups named 'extremist' by civil rights watchdog

They did quote Hitler, did not remove the quote and then defended its use. Though you are immune to facts and reason, here are 5 reasons that they have rightly been called extremists. BTW, a number of their leaders do not even have school age children.

https://thehill.com/opinion/educatio...anization/amp/

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

I reject your stupid assumption that an entire political party embraces fascism. There's no evidence to support that.

I never said the entire GOP supports fascism (earlier I stated that Republicans like Romney, Cheney, Kinzinger, Hogan and Asa Hutchinson do not). OTOH, it is unequivocally true that a large majority of Republicans (and the RNC Chair) still support Trump, a person for whom there is gobs of evidence substantiating the fact that he is a proto-fascist, in both words and deeds. Indeed this morning, we learn that Trump will likely be indicted soon for his role in a coup.

And your rejection of my (and a boatload of historians and political scientists) observation that Trump is, at least, a proto-fascist is simply evidence of your rejection of indisputable facts and history. If you have any true interest in better understanding Trump and fascism, I heartily recommend some reading about Mussolini, the originator of fascism. The parallels between him and our Cheeto Benito are undeniable and obvious.

If you truly believed in democracy and the founding principles of your party, you would follow Romney and Cheney and reject Trumpism even more vociferously than I do. Yet you continue to defend him.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I never said the entire GOP supports fascism.

Sure you did, liar. Unless you were referring to some other political party, which I doubt.

Originally Posted by finnbow

I sleep just fine. I am just not particularly fond that one of our political parties now embraces fascism and that people like you are too stupid to realize it.

OTOH, it is unequivocally true that a large majority of Republicans (and the RNC Chair) still support Trump, a person for whom there is gobs of evidence substantiating the fact that he is a proto-fascist, in both words and deeds.

Another lie, unless you can show me one quote from McDaniel where she supports Trump's nomination for 2024.

As far as "gobs of evidence", most of it is trolling by self-serving leftists who attempt to "paint" a nominee ahead of an election.

In the meantime, you ignore the FACT that the actual policies that today's Dems support were part and parcel would have been quite welcome in the fascist/socializt governments of the early 20th century. To whit:

The Nazis were socializts (Nazi is a conjugation of "National Socializt"). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They were contemptuous of religion and the free market, and they inserted the authority of the state in its citizen's daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking and supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. Free speech was permitted only where it served the interests of the state.

So spare me your half-baked theories and twisted "evidence".

[RickeyM]

Sounds like you're saying both parties have strong elements of nazi-ism.

It's so easy to see where this guy is coming from 'cause he's not near as clever as he thinks he is.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

More SPLC bullshit.

SPLC, decent people who provide good daily information on subhuman fascist scum.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

Sure you did, liar. Unless you were referring to some other political party, which I doubt.

Here's what I say. The entire GOP either supports fascism, or they look the other way while the rest of their party supports fascism, because they are politically opportunistic.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

SPLC, decent people who provide good daily information on subhuman fascist scum.

I can see why whell and his 'wingers don't like them.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Sure you did, liar. Unless you were referring to some other political party, which I doubt.



Another lie, unless you can show me one quote from McDaniel where she supports Trump's nomination for 2024.

As far as "gobs of evidence", most of it is trolling by self-serving leftists who attempt to "paint" a nominee ahead of an election.

In the meantime, you ignore the FACT that the actual policies that today's Dems support were part and parcel would have been quite welcome in the fascist/socializt governments of the early 20th century. ..

Again, you are showing your MAGAt stripes, calling truth and fact lies when they assail the dignity of your Dear Leader.

As for the policies of Democrats, one is free to advocate for anything one believes in within the constraints of the Constitution and the democratic process. The MAGA ideal, OTOH, demonstrates rejection, even hostility, to democratic principles and constitutional constraints. These constraints do not include suspending the Constitution as Trump has advocated, the use of political violence, acceptance of rampant criminality in support of political goals, marginalization or scapegoating of minorities or staging a coup.

I too was once a Republican, even serving in a fairly high position under George Bush the Elder, a fine and dignified man. I bailed, however, and became an Independent when his son led us into a catastrophic war based on a lie. Yet in hindsight, Dubya was a paragon of virtue compared to Trump. It baffles me how you, relatively intelligent by MAGA standards, go out of your way to defend his rampant criminality, dishonesty and malignant behavior. You simply refuse to admit you were conned by such an ignorant, deceitful clown.

[finnbow]