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07-15-2023, 06:40 PM
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Trump and the Republican party exemplify these five elements of fascism
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“In 2016, I declared I am your voice,” Trump said at his first 2024 campaign rally in Waco, Texas. “Today, I add I am your warrior. I am your justice. And for those who have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution.”
How do we describe what Trump wants for America?
“Authoritarianism” isn’t adequate. It is fascism. Fascism stands for a coherent set of ideas different from – and more dangerous than – authoritarianism.
To fight those ideas, it’s necessary to be aware of what they are and how they fit together.
Borrowing from the cultural theorist Umberto Eco, the historians Emilio Gentile and Ian Kershaw, the political scientist Roger Griffin, and the former US secretary of state Madeleine Albright, I offer five elements that distinguish fascism from authoritarianism.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-party-fascism
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07-15-2023, 06:49 PM
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Sad little man.
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He is like a flat earther, someone who refuses to accept established facts.
If action and reaction are equal and opposite, how can one build a perpetual motion machine? He will claim it's possible.
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The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite. Thomas Jefferson
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07-15-2023, 06:58 PM
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The word (proto)fascist is being used to describe specific observable behavior, unlike your use of soci@list. Indeed there is an entire thread devoted to MAGA fascist behavior. Try to keep up.
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Or better put, it is an entire thread devoted to one of your core specialties: employing logical fallacies. In that thread's case, and like many of your arguments, it's an exercise in the deductive reasoning fallacy, where you provide the conclusion to an argument, and then invite like-minded folks to agree with you. Bravo.
However, when challenged to take your conclusion and use it to point out specifics, you can't do it, and then act all butt-hurt about it.
You cited Paxton at the outset of your article, maybe because he decided to "change his mind" about Trump after watching him waving to a cheering crowd. What, he forgot about the Obama 2008 European tour, where he gave the Berlin crowd the ol' Nazi salute?
Or the Chicago election night rally?
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07-15-2023, 07:42 PM
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Obama's fans are doing the wave, Trump's cult is doing the one finger salute.
Every accusation is an admission.
Creepy, One-Finger Salute At Trump Rally Evokes 'Heil Hitler' Gesture
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Several supporters, some with heads bowed, stood quietly in the audience with a single finger raised above their heads. Some viewers speculated that it referred to the nationalist “America first” slogan, while others claimed it was a symbol of QAnon, which Trump is increasingly espousing. Some in the audience were employing a modified white supremacy “OK” hate sign with only the index finger extended.
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The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite. Thomas Jefferson
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07-15-2023, 08:38 PM
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FAKE NEWS EXPOSED: A Service of PoliticalChat.com
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Originally Posted by whell
Or better put, it is an entire thread devoted to one of your core specialties: employing logical fallacies…
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To everyone who knows me well, I am logical to a fault. A MS in Civil Engineering, an MBA and a successful 38 year worldwide engineering career are not the result of faulty logic and reasoning. What you see as faulty logic is an intolerance for bullshit, something learned from managing mega construction projects for decades (11 years of which was in Germany, a nation known for its slavish devotion to logic not to mention a passing fancy for fascism).
You, OTOH, are not swayed by facts, logic or reasoning. What better proof than you continuing to support and defend Trump and MAGA, a movement built on lies, bullshit and feral emotions?
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07-15-2023, 08:50 PM
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[QUOTE=Rajoo;421327]Obama's fans are doing the wave, Trump's cult is doing the one finger salute.
Every accusation is an admission.
Creepy, One-Finger Salute At Trump Rally Evokes 'Heil Hitler' Gesture
One race, one nation, one leader!
Or, as they used to say, "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer!
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07-15-2023, 08:57 PM
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FAKE NEWS EXPOSED: A Service of PoliticalChat.com
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You're such a practiced liar that I'm sure you've convinced yourself of that.
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Being called a liar by someone who believes in Trump is a compliment. Countering your MAGA bullshit with facts and reason must be jarring to your psyche. You are a guy who thinks award-winning journalism is fake news and Trumpian ramblings are gospel. Sad.
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07-16-2023, 06:32 AM
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Really? Erectile dysfunction is a socializt problem? Figures...
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Sad little man.
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I would explain it to him but it's a waste of bandwidth.
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Yeah, kinda like the word "fascist" is all the rage on the left right now.
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The WHATABOUT! king strikes again, LOL.
Kinda reminds me of whell.
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07-16-2023, 06:35 AM
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Or better put, it is an entire thread devoted to one of your core specialties: employing logical fallacies. In that thread's case, and like many of your arguments, it's an exercise in the deductive reasoning fallacy, where you provide the conclusion to an argument, and then invite like-minded folks to agree with you. Bravo.
However, when challenged to take your conclusion and use it to point out specifics, you can't do it, and then act all butt-hurt about it.
You cited Paxton at the outset of your article, maybe because he decided to "change his mind" about Trump after watching him waving to a cheering crowd. What, he forgot about the Obama 2008 European tour, where he gave the Berlin crowd the ol' Nazi salute?
Or the Chicago election night rally?

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and you're STILL too dumb to understand the difference.
Or maybe it's just another case of TROLLIN' TROLLIN' TROLLIN'
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07-16-2023, 07:04 AM
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Kelly Ann Conway explained it all years ago. We may have facts, but Whell has alternative facts. He feels entitled to keep them as long as he wants, Moynihan be damned.
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