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07-06-2023, 07:25 PM
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Who decides what they aren't ready for?
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07-07-2023, 08:12 AM
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07-07-2023, 08:45 AM
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Their parents.
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Why do their parents get to decide what my kids are or are not ready for?
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07-07-2023, 08:56 AM
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Their parents.
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The driving force behind these book bans are the Moms for Liberty, a group that publicly praises Hitler.
https://apnews.com/article/moms-for-...70030ccd710512
Why am I not surprised that you are comfortable with fascist fools like this leading the charge to remove books from schools?
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07-07-2023, 09:13 AM
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The driving force behind these book bans are the Moms for Liberty, a group that publicly praises Hitler.
https://apnews.com/article/moms-for-...70030ccd710512
Why am I not surprised that you are comfortable with fascist fools like this leading the charge to remove books from schools?
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They used a particular quote and apologized for it, but to you, they will now and forever be labeled "fascist" as a cheap way to discredit the group in a debate.
Wow, look at these jack-booted thugs, Finn. I can see why you'd be all scared and hunkered down in your basement at the sight of them.
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07-07-2023, 09:50 AM
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whell, so why is it OK for untrained mothers to decide what books to ban but not OK for well trained FBI agents to communicate with social media companies to flag potential threats?
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07-07-2023, 09:52 AM
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Clearly a Reich-wingnut organization. Whell loves them.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Moms_for_Liberty
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Moms for Liberty is an American political organization that advocates against school curriculums that mention LGBT rights, race and ethnicity, critical race theory, and discrimination, while multiple chapters have also campaigned to ban books that address gender and sexuality from school libraries. The group has also campaigned for LGBT students to be kept separated from straight and cisgender students. The group began by campaigning against COVID-19 protections in schools, including mask and vaccine mandates.
The group is influential within the Republican Party. Many of the group's chapters across the U.S. have forged close ties to right-wing extremist groups, including the Proud Boys and Three Percenters, as well as sovereign citizen, QAnon, and Christian nationalist organizations. In 2023, the Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights organization that tracks extremists, termed Moms for Liberty a far-right extremist organization.
Moms for Liberty has been criticized for harassment, for deepening divisions among parents, for making students' education more difficult, and for having close ties to the Republican Party rather than being a genuine grassroots effort.
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They used a particular quote and apologized for it, but to you, they will now and forever be labeled "fascist" as a cheap way to discredit the group in a debate.
Wow, look at these jack-booted thugs, Finn. I can see why you'd be all scared and hunkered down in your basement at the sight of them.
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I'm hardly scared of them. OTOH, I'm not fond of ignorant MAGAMorons and fascists making decisions about which books kids should read. For example, the MAGA clown who is Oklahoma's State School Superintendent Ryan Walters says that any instruction on the infamous Tulsa race massacre should not portray the massacre as having its roots in racism. We also have Florida teachers being investigated or fired for showing Disney movies or a Georgia teachers being fired for reading a children's book written from the perspective of a child who likes both traditionally “boy” things like trains and “girl” things like glitter.
As for the Moms for Liberty and their Hitler quote (a group the SPLC compares to pro-segregationist groups that arose after Brown v Board of Education), a speaker (GOP Lt. Gov. of NC) at their annual convention defended the Hitler citation and then praised the policies of Stalin and Mao as well.
I find it amusing how you MAGAMorons find the Twitter Files to represent attacks against the First Amendment despite not showing a single instance of government coercion, yet are OK with morons and fascists using the power of state government to ban books and fire teachers, the House of Representative punishing a member for criticizing your Dear Leader and Truth Social immediately deleting any posts critical of your Dear Leader.
It can only be explained as I did above, namely that your position has nothing to do with free speech. It's about ensuring that nothing interferes with the lies and misinformation critical to MAGA conservatism while drowning out the voices who challenge this fascist viewpoint and the racist, homophobic sentiment underpinning it.
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07-07-2023, 11:15 AM
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It can only be explained as I did above, namely that your position has nothing to do with free speech. It's about ensuring that nothing interferes with the lies and misinformation critical to MAGA conservatism while drowning out the voices who challenge this fascist viewpoint and the racist, homophobic sentiment underpinning it.
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It just occurred to me: you're fully lacking in self-awareness and no longer have any idea how absurd you really sound. Maybe this will help provide some perspective on why parents think that certain books don't belong in a school library, though I doubt it.
How explicit were these books—and others at the center of the nationwide "book banning" controversy? Put yourself on the review committee and you be the judge. Here are three of the books Forsyth reviewed, with relevant excerpts.
First up is L8r, G8r by Lauren Myracle (a book that has been challenged in at least 19 districts across the country).
SnowAngel: so: spit or swallow? [/] zoegirl: i swallowed, but i don't think i'm going to next time. i'll just tell him very politely so he's not offended. [/] SnowAngel: erm, i bet he'll be okay with it. what's he gonna say, "nuh uh, no way! in that case, no blow jobs for YOU, missy!" [/] zoegirl: I don't *want* a blow job [/] SnowAngel: you know what i mean [/] zoegirl: doug tried to go down on me (geez, that sounds dorky), but I was like '"no no no no no. that's ok." [/] SnowAngel: why? [/] zoegirl: like you said, the whole odor thing. but in reverse. ack, i'm blushing just talking about it!
Do I think a book with this type of content belongs in a library at a grade school, middle school or high school? No. Is this a "fascist" point of view? Well, if you grossly expand and twist the definition of fascim as I suppose you're doing, then maybe.
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