Make Ukraine a NATO member nation...right now.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

Bullshit. I stated I've never seen any credible sources state Zalenskyy was a Nazi, and you respond with drivel about what goes on in internet chat rooms that you've probably never even seen.

OK, please post evidence of credible sources calling Zelenskyy a Nazi.

Listen...we all know which side you're on. You're on the lying-ass racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, bigoted, sexual assault perp worshipping, pro war criminal Putin worshipping side of it. The side that has been calling Ukraine governmental leaders neo-nazis and flat out nazis, since Putin's murderous Wagner Group mercinaries invaded a sovereign nation that over thirty years ago was granted sovereign nation status...by the Russian government.

Well...tell ya what whell...your denials mean nothing. They make you look like the flaccid, limp, impotent hypocrite you are. If you were anything else you would be calling out the bigots that are now the mainstream of your side. Your bullshit wanking yourself off with your typical "I never said that" is hypocrite confirmation. Decide which fucking side you're on or just quit your fucking victimy sniveling and shut the fuck up.

PS - I spent most of the last three years at the mis-named liberalforum.net, where you will find plenty of mainstream bigots and sexists that now make up the majority of your end of the American political continuum. The difference between you and them? They have the stones to stand up and proudly defend the sick fucking side they are on. You are a political eunuch.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Listen...we all know which side you're on. You're on the lying-ass racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, bigoted, sexual assault perp worshipping, pro war criminal Putin worshipping side of it. The side that has been calling Ukraine governmental leaders neo-nazis and flat out nazis, since Putin's murderous Wagner Group mercinaries invaded a sovereign nation that over thirty years ago was granted sovereign nation status...by the Russian government.

Well...tell ya what whell...your denials mean nothing. They make you look like the flaccid, limp, impotent hypocrite you are. If you were anything else you would be calling out the bigots that are now the mainstream of your side. Your bullshit wanking yourself off with your typical "I never said that" is hypocrite confirmation. Decide which fucking side you're on or just quit your fucking victimy sniveling and shut the fuck up.

PS - I spent most of the last three years at the mis-named liberalforum.net, where you will find plenty of mainstream bigots and sexists that now make up the majority of your end of the American political continuum. The difference between you and them? They have the stones to stand up and proudly defend the sick fucking side they are on. You are a political eunuch.

Whell is on the 'I'm right you're wrong' side, no matter what. If we all suddenly became racist bigots, whell would suddenly become woke!

[whell]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Your Dear Leader’s bestie, Pootin, calls him a nazi all the time.

You're having comprehension issues, too, I see. I asked for a citation of a credible source.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Listen...we all know which side you're on.

Obviously you don't.

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

PS - I spent most of the last three years at the mis-named liberalforum.net, where you will find plenty of mainstream bigots and sexists that now make up the majority of your end of the American political continuum. The difference between you and them? They have the stones to stand up and proudly defend the sick fucking side they are on. You are a political eunuch.

The difference between you and them? Probably not much.

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Whell is on the 'I'm right you're wrong' side, no matter what. If we all suddenly became racist bigots, whell would suddenly become woke!

You're schtick here is getting old.

You can make the argument that Ukraine becomes a NATO member if you want, and I'll disagree with you. But I don't honestly think you'll make that argument, so maybe we actually agree on something.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Listen...we all know which side you're on. You're on the lying-ass racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, bigoted, sexual assault perp worshipping, pro war criminal Putin worshipping side of it. The side that has been calling Ukraine governmental leaders neo-nazis and flat out nazis, since Putin's murderous Wagner Group mercinaries invaded a sovereign nation that over thirty years ago was granted sovereign nation status...by the Russian government.

And by the way, when Obama let Putin waltz into Crimea in 2014, it was folks like me who suggested that Obama's response to Putin was painfully slow and didn't amount to much. Unlike you, this isn't about pure politics then, and it's not about pure politics now. It wasn't for Putin, who gambled that Obama would be a spectator, and unfortunately, he was right.

If anything, Biden's response was likely based in part on what the Obama administration learned AFTER the Russians invaded Crimea. Celeste Wallender, one of Biden's Pentagon picks, said this in 2022:

“I believe that our response in 2014 was too slow and too incremental. And it’s confirmed by the lessons that I learned, and that I believe others in the national security community learned, to better address Russia’s ongoing aggression,” said Wallander, who would oversee U.S. military security cooperation and foreign military sales.

She was absolutely spot on.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

You're schtick here is getting old.

You can make the argument that Ukraine becomes a NATO member if you want, and I'll disagree with you. But I don't honestly think you'll make that argument, so maybe we actually agree on something.

If we ever agree, it's a meaningless coincidence. Because your reasons for taking the position won't be related to the merits of the issue, it will just be whatever you think you can use as a stick to poke people. You've admitted your goal frankly on this board.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

And by the way, when Obama let Putin waltz into Crimea in 2014, it was folks like me who suggested that Obama's response to Putin was painfully slow and didn't amount to much. Unlike you, this isn't about pure politics then, and it's not about pure politics now. It wasn't for Putin, who gambled that Obama would be a spectator, and unfortunately, he was right.

If anything, Biden's response was likely based in part on what the Obama administration learned AFTER the Russians invaded Crimea. Celeste Wallender, one of Biden's Pentagon picks, said this in 2022:

“I believe that our response in 2014 was too slow and too incremental. And it’s confirmed by the lessons that I learned, and that I believe others in the national security community learned, to better address Russia’s ongoing aggression,” said Wallander, who would oversee U.S. military security cooperation and foreign military sales.

She was absolutely spot on.

Meanwhile, your Dear Leader called Putin "savvy" and a "genius" for attacking Ukraine while Tucker Carlson, the most popular person on Fox News, said “Why do I care what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? I’m serious. Why do I care? Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which I am.”

Obama (and the rest of the world) may have been slow in his response to Russia in 2014 (not that it's clear what could have done by Ukraine's military at the time), but he didn't actively cheer them on like Trump and MAGAWorld did. As a MAGAt, you have no standing whatsoever to criticize anyone else's response to Putin and Russia.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Meanwhile, your Dear Leader called Putin "savvy" and a "genius" for attacking Ukraine while Tucker Carlson, the most popular person on Fox News, said “Why do I care what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? I’m serious. Why do I care? Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which I am.”

Obama (and the rest of the world) may have been slow in his response to Russia in 2014 (not that it's clear what could have done by Ukraine's military at the time), but he didn't actively cheer them on like Trump and MAGAWorld did. As a MAGAt, you have no standing whatsoever to criticize anyone else's response to Putin and Russia.

Let me unpack what you're saying here:

I have no standing to comment based on what other folks have said, and whose statements are in stark contrast to what I've posted here on several occasions.

That takes your Strawman construction to a whole new level. Congrats...

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Because your reasons for taking the position won't be related to the merits of the issue, it will just be whatever you think you can use as a stick to poke people. You've admitted your goal frankly on this board.

You've made that claim often enough that you're starting to believe it. Its nothing I've ever claimed. If you think I have, then post your evidence here.