Make Ukraine a NATO member nation...right now.

[GChief]

Civilians armchair quarterbacking without access to all the info.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by GChief

Actually those bases are a big strategic asset so there is that.

'Strategic asset"...wow, now there's some big time right-wingjob militaristic speak, eh? Ive already noted that we have 11 fully active aircraft carrier strike groups cruising around the world's oceans. We don't need two airbases in Turkey.

Originally Posted by GChief

And I agree, they need to be NATO members ASAP. But that is never going to happen with an active war.

Excuses...excuses. Neville Chamberlain had a shitload of excuses for the appeasment of Hitler.

[GChief]

Like I said civilians armchair quarterbacking without knowing what they speak of.

And most of what you need to know to have an intelligent discussion about this can not be discussed, at least I won't, don't need to be wearing an orange suit in the last 1/4 of my life.

[Dondilion]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/polit...oli/index.html

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Long past time to quit fucking around with this...

CNBC: Ukraine war live updates: Zelenskyy ramps up pressure for NATO membership; Russia says its border villages shelled

Nope. Now now, and maybe not ever unless there's regime change in Russia.

Just over 60 years ago we reacted pretty aggressively - and came within a hair's breadth of a shooting war with Russia - when Russia put missiles in Cuba. The Kennedy administration believed those missed posed a direct threat, and they were absolutely right to demand their removal.

What you're advocating here is something that Putin and company would perceive as a direct threat, because NATO members are bound to come to each other's defense.

Just because Zelenskyy wants to risk starting WW III to save Ukraine doesn't mean we need to help him start WW III.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by GChief

Civilians armchair quarterbacking without access to all the info.

Yes, arm chair quarterbacking but its our tax dollars that are being spent recklessly to support an inept MIC of which you seem to be a lifetime member. So of course, you will not support my argument and who cares.

Imagine an industry working on a cost + basis with zero oversight in perpetuity. No wonder, Dwight W is not a hero of the right, he had too much common sense.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by GChief

Actually those bases are a big strategic asset so there is that.

Wow! "Strategic asset"! Now there's a some real militaristic right-wingjob lingo. We have 11 fully active aircraft carrier strike groups deployed in oceans all around the world. Do we really need two air bases in Turkey? No...we do not. The two countries with the next largest aircraft carrier fleets have two strike groups each. Russia has just one aircraft carrier and it's a total piece of junk.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

What you're advocating here is something that Putin and company would perceive as a direct threat, because NATO members are bound to come to each other's defense.

Just because Zelenskyy wants to risk starting WW III to save Ukraine doesn't mean we need to help him start WW III.

Bullshit...bullshit...bullshit. If Putin feels like NATO is a threat, all he hs to do is leave the NATO countries alone. And back in 1991 when the Russian government was a signatory nation on the Ukraine Independence Referendum, the Russians, which includes Putin, gave up the right to dictate NATO membership, EU membership, or anything else to Ukraine.

Vladimir Putin and the stupid fucking Russian peole who support him in his war crimes, are the only one's who will be responsible for any WWIII.

[Oerets]

Blaming the victims of aggression for the bully's actions.

Being one who dealt with bullies more then a few times in my life. You need to give it back to them double. Right away usually one warning then action. The more talking, trying to reason is only seen as weakness. They are scared of strength in others. Prey on weakness and indecision.

[Ike Bana]

Has Mikey decided to warn us about how Zelenskyy and the rest of Ukraine's leadership are all nazis???