Another Mass Shooting in the Good Ol' USA

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

The USA has a unique problem with this issue, at least partly a result of oversupply combined with poor accountability of the distribution by whatever means and the verified responsibility of the aquisitors.
Oversupply makes them very easy to slip into a grey/ black market, and reclaiming them from untrustworthy possession is obviously hazardous.
All of this goes back to the perceptions of the purpose of the second amendment vs that actual wording of the first portion.
Did they indeed intend no accountability for possession for any purpose, including armed insurrection?

Don't forget that somebody figured that a whole lotta $$ could be made off the deal.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Yes, the time to take action came long ago. By arguing endlessly only is delaying action. The majority wants action. Knows the issues and actions. One party is stopping any move to action.

Bullshit. If the American people wanted real action on this we would have had it within a year of the Columbing shooting. The British people, who have a brain and who have the integrity that goes way beyond whatever their "personal rights and freedoms" guaranteed by their governmental charter. Britain had all the governmental action they needed within a year of the Dunblane Massacre in March 1996.

The Dunblane massacre took place at Dunblane Primary School in Dunblane, near Stirling, Scotland, on 13 March 1996, when Thomas Hamilton shot dead 16 pupils and one teacher, and injured 15 others, before killing himself. It remains the deadliest mass shooting in British history.

Following the killings, public debate centred on gun control laws, including public petitions for a ban on private ownership of handguns and an official inquiry, which produced the 1996 Cullen Report.

The incident led to a public campaign, known as the Snowdrop Petition, which helped bring about legislation, specifically two new Firearms Acts, which outlawed the private ownership of most handguns within Great Britain, with few exceptions. The UK Government instituted a temporary gun buyback programme, which provided some compensation to lawful handgun owners.

Since the massacre, and tighter firearm restrictions, no mass shootings with handguns have occurred, though incidents with shotguns and rifles—such as the 2010 Cumbria shootings or the 2021 Plymouth shooting—have taken place.

In response to public debate, the Conservative government of Prime Minister John Major introduced the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997, which banned all cartridge ammunition handguns with the exception of .22 calibre rimfire in England, Scotland and Wales. Following the 1997 United Kingdom general election, the Labour government of Prime Minister Tony Blair introduced the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997, banning the remaining .22 cartridge handguns as well. This left only muzzle-loading and historic handguns legal, as well as certain sporting handguns (e.g. "Long-Arms") and long-barrelled handguns that fall outside the minimum barrel and overall length dimensions in the Firearms Act 1968, as amended.

And the USA has 40 times the firearms homicides as the UK. With a similar incidence of mental illnesses per capita.

Hello America and fuck your personal rights and freedoms...self indulgent assholes. Here'a a book to read...learn something about your "rights and freedoms", because it has nothing to do with what you think it means. Americans are the most ignorant twits in the entire First World of nations.



More than anything else, civilization means one can't do whatever one might feel like doing just because they think they have some fucked up god given personal rights and freedoms.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

I guess I'm the other member who's on beyond Wingnut.

You can't see the world rule and domination of the Prince of Power of the Air, AKA the devil, because allegorically speaking, you've 'drank the wormwood water'. It imposes a spiritual blindness.

It's why you guys think I'm crazy. Oh well.

We can share a laugh once in while, I hope.

Initforfun is an alter-ego of some other member, don't 'him' yank your chain.

It's not always about you.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

The USA has a unique problem with this issue, at least partly a result of oversupply combined with poor accountability of the distribution by whatever means and the verified responsibility of the aquisitors.
Oversupply makes them very easy to slip into a grey/ black market, and reclaiming them from untrustworthy possession is obviously hazardous.
All of this goes back to the perceptions of the purpose of the second amendment vs that actual wording of the first portion.
Did they indeed intend no accountability for possession for any purpose, including armed insurrection?

They intended different things. The leftists got "shall not be infringed," while the right-wing got 'well-regulated.' (Funny how things have flip-flopped.) Anyway, each side figured they could use it to get things their way.

[Oerets]

Pretty simple, you can own guns if you follow the rules.

Little to no rules and gun ownership is showing US the results.

The Constitution is not perfect or there would not be any Amendments BTW!

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

It's a fact, but that doesn't make it a related fact. Nor does the number of times you trot out this fact make it any more related.

According to The Washington Post, which has tracked school shootings since Columbine in 1999, the Covenant School in Nashville mass shooting was the 377th at an American school. It raised the death count to 199, 425 injured, and more than 349,000 students experiencing gun violence at school. There is no other country in the world where school shootings are routine matters. Andy Ogles, the member of Congress who represents Tennessee’s 5th congressional district where the Covenant School is located, sent this travesty out as his Christmas card:



https://steveschmidt.substack.com/p/...e-two-of-three

Like almost always, the killer came to do evil at the Covenant School, armed with an AR-15. High-velocity assault weapons obliterate their targets when fired because of the speed of the round. The police officers who respond to the scenes, as well as the survivors, face grave psychological trauma and consequences from seeing the victims obliterated by weapons designed for the US military to kill America’s enemies on the battlefield. Those weapons have been fetishized for a generation by the fantastically corrupt NRA, which maintains its iron grip over a vast faction of MAGA/GOP extremists whose cowardice against this constant depravity equals the cowardice of the Uvalde Police. Both sets of cowards were content to do nothing, while the shooters killed and killed and killed again. The Uvalde cops cowered in fear, while the politicians do the same. The result is violence, death, impatience and outrage.

Dunno about you, but I'm not much of a fan of extra-judicial killing. Meanwhile, GOP politicians celebrate it as they praise Kyle Rittenhouse and plan to pardon a convicted murderer in Texas. It seems to me that the party that encourages arming yourself to the teeth while encouraging violence and extra-judicial killing shares a significant portion of the blame for the prevalence of these crimes in the USA.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

And yet, guns have always been with us. So, what are the components that have changed?

Guns, if anything, have become more difficult to obtain, at least within the "legal" acquisition process. Violent crimes have also been trending downward.

Logically, the two pieces of the puzzle that stick out like sore thumbs are the increase in mass shootings and the shooters who tend to have very similar profiles. A myopic focus on gun legislation will never address issues.

“We need real solutions”, says the MAGA apologist as he offers no real solutions.

[donquixote99]

My real solution: to legally own a 'dangerous gun,' defined as one with a semi-automatic action and a detachable magazine, you will need a license. Getting this license involves a hefty fee, which will go to fund an extensive investigation of you. You get the license if a disinterested bureaucrat thinks the results show you are a reasonably steady and level-headed sort with no bad actions on record.

So we don't do invasive psych evals on everyone, just those who want a dangerous gun bad enough to go through one, and pay for it.

Buybacks, in stages, of all the dangerous guns out there. Get people used to the idea by first just going after the really scary-looking war-style guns.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

They intended different things. The leftists got "shall not be infringed," while the right-wing got 'well-regulated.' (Funny how things have flip-flopped.) Anyway, each side figured they could use it to get things their way.

To get disparate folk to sign on to a union of the states. Makes as much sense as anything. Southern states get an impression to defend their "peculiar institution way-of-life" by force of arms, northern states avoid having a standing army for national defense.
We see how that worked out, and is still working.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

My real solution: to legally own a 'dangerous gun,' defined as one with a semi-automatic action and a detachable magazine, you will need a license. Getting this license involves a hefty fee, which will go to fund an extensive investigation of you. You get the license if a disinterested bureaucrat thinks the results show you are a reasonably steady and level-headed sort with no bad actions on record.

So we don't do invasive psych evals on everyone, just those who want a dangerous gun bad enough to go through one, and pay for it.

Buybacks, in stages, of all the dangerous guns out there. Get people used to the idea by first just going after the really scary-looking war-style guns.

Renewable required with periodic recertification and red flag reporting encouraged. Act a nut job, lose your certification, period.