Assault weapons

[Chicks]

It will boil down to getting sensible judges into seats at SCOTUS.

The Federalist Society has been VERY successful in getting their hateful, far-reich clones into those seats. Moderates need to wake up and shift the balance of power in those all-important seats, so that dark campaign money can be cut off, and the 2nd Amendment can be interpreted correctly. Only then will this craziness end.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by GChief

That was completely tongue in cheek in a thread about semi automatic weapons.

And when I say we need civil dialogue it needs to start with our elected officials. Both teams extreme factions in the government started us down this path. Hell look at the wackos "yelling" at each other on this site.

The discourse is a 2 way street.

No argument from me about legislation but we will never get there in the current environment. The far right will not give an inch because of the apparent gun grab and the far left says they aren't after "all guns" but that's just lip service.

As someone mentioned up thread, round and round, its not going to stop.

Edit: and I should add my 30 rd Mags are not for the wacko hate group of the moment, they are for when the damn zombies come. And my 15 rd pistol mags are just left overs from my LEO service weapon days. My CC pistol holds 7.

I would not go that far. People I know on the left respect our constitution while objecting to the Federalist interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. No one is objecting to responsible and legal ownership, drawing the line at assault weapons and semi-automatic weapons.

So the so called 'gun grab' is an NRA propagated mantra and IIRC, there was a claim that "Obama will come for your guns" during his presidency. So I object to the phrase "lip service" and need for gun ownership regulation is real.

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by Chicks

and the 2nd Amendment can be interpreted correctly.

It says people can only own guns if they are a member of a State Militia.

I'll pass on marching around on the weekends, wearing statched uniforms with Sunflowers emblazoned on back.

They can just come shoot me.

[GChief]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

I would not go that far. People I know on the left respect our constitution while objecting to the Federalist interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. No one is objecting to responsible and legal ownership, drawing the line at assault weapons and semi-automatic weapons.

So the so called 'gun grab' is an NRA propagated mantra and IIRC, there was a claim that "Obama will come for your guns" during his presidency. So I object to the phrase "lip service" and need for gun ownership regulation is real.

I know they do, I am pretty left leaning myself and know plenty like minded people also.

To think that some politicians and people on the left do not want to do a "gun grab" is naïve at best. I have seen it said live on the idiot box enough "if I had my way all guns would be illegal"

But our civil discussion is just that a discussion that will change nothing. As Chicks stated above the first real change will more than likely be born from a SCOTUS change... a little hint, none of us will probably be alive when the court shifts.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by GChief

I know they do, I am pretty left leaning myself and know plenty like minded people also.

To think that some politicians and people on the left do not want to do a "gun grab" is naïve at best. I have seen it said live on the idiot box enough "if I had my way all guns would be illegal"

But our civil discussion is just that a discussion that will change nothing. As Chicks stated above the first real change will more than likely be born from a SCOTUS change... a little hint, none of us will probably be alive when the court shifts.

Another hint: By then it would not matter. This country would be awash with guns, especially the assault variety that it would not matter unless guns are indeed confiscated, which I am certain will lead to a civil war. After every incidence of a mass shooting, sales of firearms soar.

[GChief]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Another hint: By then it would not matter. This country would be awash with guns, especially the assault variety

That is already a thing, prolific semi-autos is fairly recent, without looking probably in the last 40 yrs..

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by GChief

That is already a thing, prolific semi-autos is fairly recent, without looking probably in the last 40 yrs..

Production and ownership of the AR-15 started to skyrocket after the Assault Weapons ban was allowed to expire in 2004. It went from representing 3.6% of all firearms produced in the country that year to over 25% in 2019.

When first introduced in the 1950's the Pentagon called it “An outstanding weapon with phenomenal lethality” and it did not gain wide acceptance in the civilian arms industry until the early 2000's. Indeed, it was banished to obscure back booths at NRA events at the time and generally dissed by the sportsman community. “We’d have NRA members walk by our booth and give us the finger,” said Randy Luth, the founder of gunmaker DPMS, one of the earliest companies to market AR-15's.

Then, a handful of manufacturers saw a chance to ride a post-9/11 surge in military glorification while also stoking a desire among new gun owners to personalize their weapons with tactical accessories. “We made it look cool,” Luth said. “The same reason you buy a Corvette.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ture-politics/

And the rest is history.

[GChief]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Production and ownership of the AR-15 started to skyrocket after the Assault Weapons ban was allowed to expire in 2004. It went from representing 3.6% of all firearms produced in the country that year to over 25% in 2019.

When first introduced in the 1950's the Pentagon called it “An outstanding weapon with phenomenal lethality” and it did not gain wide acceptance in the civilian arms industry until the early 2000's. Indeed, it was banished to obscure back booths at NRA events at the time and generally dissed by the sportsman community. “We’d have NRA members walk by our booth and give us the finger,” said Randy Luth, the founder of gunmaker DPMS, one of the earliest companies to market AR-15's.

Then, a handful of manufacturers saw a chance to ride a post-9/11 surge in military glorification while also stoking a desire among new gun owners to personalize their weapons with tactical accessories. “We made it look cool,” Luth said. “The same reason you buy a Corvette.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ture-politics/

And the rest is history.

I was talking semi autos in general. Yes AR's are the recent (couple decades) "scary" gun.

I bought my HK91 at a gun show in California in 1988.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by GChief

I was talking semi autos in general. Yes AR's are the recent (couple decades) "scary" gun.

I'd say that prior to the AR-15 predominance in the market, the old Marlin Model 60 .22 was probably the most common autoloading long arm in the civilian market, followed by the Ruger 10/22. Neither was particularly scary in terms of either appearance or performance (except to squirrels).

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I'd say that prior to the AR-15 predominance in the market, the old Marlin Model 60 .22 was probably the most common autoloading long arm in the civilian market, followed by the Ruger 10/22. Neither was particularly scary in terms of either appearance or performance (except to squirrels).

Many 1022 owners would modify the rifle to look like a "Assault Rifle" then and now.

Short or collapsible stock banana and drum mags flash hinders even a rapid fire device you cranked on the trigger. Just to name of few of the many.

With a drum of 100 rounds even a .22 in the wrong hands is a formidable weapon.