Assault weapons

[GChief]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Circular logic, everyone needs guns to protect from everyone having guns....

Yeah, no minds will be changed here, but that was not the intent of the thread.

Is it comforting to have the same "fire power" as the wacko's?

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by GChief

Yeah, no minds will be changed here, but that was not the intent of the thread.

Is it comforting to have the same "fire power" as the wacko's?

When mentioned buying one at a cookout after my purchase. Where those who vote differently were all out in force with their AR's shooting. I left my firearms at home. There were little ones around, it was a family gathering after all.

Remember the puzzled looks and questions as to just why I bought one? Why I need to have one. As they stood armed with theirs.

To answer the question, yes!

Enjoy shooting targets, not a hunter of game. Like going to the range with others and making a day out it. They are a joy to use. I could have as much fun with the 1022 for that matter.

[GChief]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Enjoy shooting targets, not a hunter of game. Like going to the range with others and making a day out it. They are a joy to use. I could have as much fun with the 1022 for that matter.

I think these kind post are to some of the point of this thread, why was asked by the OP at one point.

We shoot all the time now that we do not need to go to a range, the range officer "spidey sense" in me goes off to much at public ranges over the last decade or so. Most of ours is .22 via .22 versions of our "real guns", AR-15/22, 1911 in .22 and a Beretta 92f in .22. That saves a lot of money and shooters get familiar with the "real" versions manual at arms.

I still hunt but rarely with a firearm, the last Elk I took a few years ago was with a stick and a string (English Longbow) and homemade arrows. I bird hunt with a flintlock flowing piece, one shot one kill if you want to eat. I have shot and hunted my whole life, nothing "macho" about it growing up and still not a thing in my immediate family.

I was going to mention this about the gunshow I mentioned up thread but figure some would be offended, my grandson will be 4 in August, bought his rifle there (and they background checked me ) a Cricket .22. He will not get it until he is ready, could be this weekend or 5 yrs from now, we will see.

Both my daughters shoot regularly, often for some stress relief. My youngest is a Pastry Chef at a dude ranch resort in Arizona, she can shoot at work... that just does not sound right in todays atmosphere.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Being a realist at heart and knowing in this country for as long as there are free elections. That politicians wanting to be elected will never completely enact a close to total ban.

Which is no different from what we are facing now with the GOP. Nothing matters but re-election. When taking a position on something threatens a politician's performance in the next primary season, whether it's firearms or supporting a sociopathic grifter criminal ex-president, you can bet that politician will pander to the segment of the electorate that betters the chance of re-election. We expect this on relatively benign issues because we're all flawed humans...the politicians and the voters. But when it comes to sedition or this country's democratized gun carnage, it's time to suck it up and do it right.

Over my lifetime so far, I've walked away from several jobs that provided considerable financial security because the business practices and the employment practices there were offensive. What we have seen in the GOP since the election of Obama and with the election of Trump only confirms what we knew about Republican politicians starting way back during the Vietnam War, further confirmed during the Reagan years when rural and suburban American voters decided to go en masse with the racist, sexist, bigot party. We expect the GOP to fight any gun control anywhere tooth and nail. Democrat politicians are the problem with guns. Expecting politicians to do what's right is a fucking fools errand.

Every EU nation has decided that there's no reason for civilians to have access to weapons of war. Along with that, they have set rigorous requirements for licensure and possession of any firearm. Because the European people recognize that liberty and license are different and necessary things. We don't have the liberty to drive a car or own a gun...we apply for the license. So now, for example, the firearms homicide rate the this country is 40 times the rate in the UK. 40 FUCKING TIMES. And the restrictions in the UK are moderate compared with most EU countries.

America's democratized gun carnage is on the hands of American voters, but there is a flaw in the American culture. And what we see going on now in the attacks on the democratic process, likely a fatal flaw. When the anit-Vietnam War noise became big enough, the politicians finally responded, but when the war ended, a majority of Americans were still not anti-Vietnam war.

The American people will not demand that anything but long barreled hunting rifles be outlawed. If they did, we would have a ban in a year.

Being a realist at heart, I contend that we are a sick fucking culture.

[barbara]

Ike, I do not think things will change until some pro gun congressman loses a loved one in a mass shooting.

[donquixote99]

We are a racist culture. We are in an experiment in transition from where the racial majority is losing majority status. Only thing I can think of that compares is when the whites took over from the Indians here. Now many whites dread being the Indians this time.

The reflexive hatred of immigration on the right makes more sense viewed in this frame that as simple xenophobia.

Racial fear of course amplifies the eagerness to glom on to weapons. Get your Urban Sniper Rifle, and bag some urbans!

[Oerets]

I shutter at the thought, what the event will need to be!
To finally get some real action.
Like it's not already bad enough?

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

We are a racist culture. We are in an experiment in transition from where the racial majority is losing majority status. Only thing I can think of that compares is when the whites took over from the Indians here. Now the whites dread being the Indians this time.

The reflexive hatred of immigration on the right makes more sense viewed in this frame that as simple xenophobia.

Also the climate changing and subsequent migration to the poles needs to be factored into the psyche of nations.

[GChief]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

We are a racist culture. We are in an experiment in transition from where the racial majority is losing majority status. Only thing I can think of that compares is when the whites took over from the Indians here. Now the whites dread being the Indians this time.

The reflexive hatred of immigration on the right makes more sense viewed in this frame that as simple xenophobia.

Yep, have this discussion at work all the time. Some in this thread have been in the one were I asked why the hate, you should be trying to change a few minds instead of spewing the hate as equally as the other team.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by GChief

Yep, have this discussion at work all the time. Some in this thread have been in the one were I asked why the hate, you should be trying to change a few minds instead of spewing the hate as equally as the other team.

Basically, sure. One can hope to change minds AFTER a relationship of trust and mutual respect is established. But often there seems no chance of step 1, so no attempt is made. Just fall back on the usual nice game of 'see how wrong you are!'