Assault weapons

[Oerets]

Being a realist at heart and knowing in this country for as long as there are free elections. That politicians wanting to be elected will never completely enact a close to total ban.

That now stated my hope is the leaders will go instead for laws to screen for the ones who should not own weapons. Do proper training and tracking of the firearms in the country.

The ship has sailed on eliminating so controlling them are steps towards reducing violence forward.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Being a realist at heart and knowing in this country for as long as there are free elections. That politicians wanting to be elected will never completely enact a close to total ban.

That now stated my hope is the leaders will go instead for laws to screen for the ones who should not own weapons. Do proper training and tracking of the firearms in the country.

The ship has sailed on eliminating so controlling them are steps towards reducing violence forward.

A true conservative party working for the will of the people is needed to siphon off Republican votes to have the Dems gain control for a while. Once the current tRumplican party goes the way of the WHIGS decent Republicans can migrate to this new conservative party and give us two parties working together again. Working for the people instead of wealthy special interests. Something like you mentioned may be achieved then.
Just my two-cents worth.

[barbara]

Ike, while I respect and appreciate responsible gun owners I think I will never be able to understand the desire to own an assault style weapon. My apologies to those here that have that desire. I mean no disrespect for your legal right. I just can not get the image of a class room of children being mowed down with fatal wounds in a matter of seconds out of my head.

[GChief]

Originally Posted by barbara

Ike, while I respect and appreciate responsible gun owners I think I will never be able to understand the desire to own an assault style weapon. My apologies to those here that have that desire. I mean no disrespect for your legal right. I just can not get the image of a class room of children being mowed down with fatal wounds in a matter of seconds out of my head.

No disrespect taken in any of your post and I will say this is intended respectfully. "Assault Weapon" is a political term at best.

All of these (pic below) will do what people think an AR15 does and the damage will be worst due to caliber of the weapons. The "political" slant is that the AR15 is an overly powerful "assault weapon" when in fact it shoots an "underpowered" round that most hunters use as long range small game/varmint hunting.

People make a lot of talking points from positions of ignorance.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by GChief

No disrespect taken in any of your post and I will say this is intended respectfully. "Assault Weapon" is a political term at best.

All of these (pic below) will do what people think an AR15 does and the damage will be worst due to caliber of the weapons. The "political" slant is that the AR15 is an overly powerful "assault weapon" when in fact it shoots an "underpowered" round that most hunters use as long range small game/varmint hunting.

People make a lot of talking points from positions of ignorance.

None of those guns have 30-round magazines. Secondly, serious sportsmen don't use autoloading rifles to hunt big game, though some use AR-15's for varmints (though bolt-actions are more accurate and reliable).

[Oerets]

The round fired from the AR15 the .556 or .223 is a very high velocity small caliber one. Will tumble due to the speed on impact. The back of the round being heavier and traveling so fast will be the cause. The round will do extensive damage to the body of victims. Not a thru and thru wound.

There are many styles of projectiles that will cause horrific wounds. Hollow Points Hydra Shocks Dumb Dumb Soft Point Double 00 to name a few. All designed to inflict inhumane wounds and should all be control or outlawed IMHO.

There is no reason for any weapon used by the public to have a max capacity of more the six rounds.

[GChief]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Secondly, serious sportsmen don't use autoloading rifles to hunt big game, though some use AR-15's for varmints (though bolt-actions are more accurate and reliable).

Those are just wrong statements, I know plenty of serious hunters that use auto loaders, my grandfather used a 30-06 auto loader for Elk his whole life.

A lot use AR 15 for varmint hunting.

You seen to be speaking from an out of touch position.

I will give you the 30 rd thing, but my point was huge capacity is not needed to do mass damage. My .357 Henry Lever action and GP100 would "work" just as well.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by barbara

Ike, while I respect and appreciate responsible gun owners I think I will never be able to understand the desire to own an assault style weapon. My apologies to those here that have that desire. I mean no disrespect for your legal right. I just can not get the image of a class room of children being mowed down with fatal wounds in a matter of seconds out of my head.

Think of it as a trophy that money can buy and I believe this is all it is since most people will have no use for it other than shooting it in gun ranges. Automotive equivalent is a Ferrari that people buy for vanity, but do not use it due risk of damage or theft. So most of them remain in their garages usually driven less than 5,000 miles a year. Of course, a Ferrari cost several times more so not everyone can buy one, but most people can afford a AR-15 type weapon.

[GChief]

Originally Posted by Oerets

The round fired from the AR15 the .556 or .223 is a very high velocity small caliber one. Will tumble due to the speed on impact. The back of the round being heavier and traveling so fast will be the cause. The round will do extensive damage to the body of victims. Not a thru and thru wound.

There are many styles of projectiles that will cause horrific wounds. Hollow Points Hydra Shocks Dumb Dumb Soft Point Double 00 to name a few. All designed to inflict inhumane wounds and should all be control or outlawed IMHO.

There is no reason for any weapon used by the public to have a max capacity of more the six rounds.

There is plenty of info to be found for those on here that need some education to have an intelligent discussion. The .223 /.556 is not as fast as many with an avg of 2800fps, it is actually very slow compared to something like my 22/250.

Agree on the bullet types and 30 rds. That said most "shooters" on the street are probably going to buy the cheapest ammo they can get which is typically going to be some type of ball. At least the guns we were taking from people when I was playing Barney Fife were usually loaded with cheap FMJ practice ammo.

Like you, if (big if) the time comes I will turn in what I need to turn in.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by GChief

Those are just wrong statements, I know plenty of serious hunters that use auto loaders, my grandfather used a 30-06 auto loader for Elk his whole life.

A lot use AR 15 for varmint hunting.

You seen to be speaking from an out of touch position.

I will give you the 30 rd thing, but my point was huge capacity is not needed to do mass damage. My .357 Henry Lever action and GP100 would "work" just as well.

I've been a gun owner and hunter for ~60 years and have about a dozen guns in my cabinet (none are autoloaders). I'm an NRA Distinguished Expert in Smallbore, a Range Safety Officer at my gun club, taught NRA Hunter Safety and Rifle and Shotgun Shooting Merit badge for the BSA. I also do a fair amount of my own gunsmithing (for me and friends) and reloading.

And no, your .357 Henry Lever Action is not as effective a killing machine as an AR-15 in terms of muzzle energy, terminal ballistics, range, rapid fire capability, and magazine capacity (nor does it have removable magazines). The AR-15 (or more accurately the M16 and its M4 carbine variant) are purpose-built weapons of war and is not the ideal weapon for any type of hunting, particularly big game (for which it is underpowered). If you think your statement proves your superior knowledge of firearms, it did the opposite.

FWIW, I have a Remington Model 7 in .223 Remington (effectively the same cartridge as the 5.56 NATO for which the AR-15 is chambered) and a 3-9x Leupold compact scope and it will easily outshoot (routinely 1/2 MOA) any AR-15 I've seen at the range. What it can't do is spray 30 rounds as fast I pull the trigger.