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01-17-2023, 09:37 PM
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A Federal judge approved a search warrant of Mar-A-Lago based upon probable cause of obstruction (and two other federal crimes). He didn't approve it for "conversational purposes."
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Well sort of. Better put: A federal judge rubber-stamped a DOJ request to see if he can find evidence of a crime. It's Robert Mueller all over again.
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01-17-2023, 10:21 PM
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You really think defending this despicable repugnant troll gives you any credibility?
A person is known by the company they keep, why would you associate yourself with this vacuous shameless con man is beyond comprehension.
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01-17-2023, 10:43 PM
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You really think defending this despicable repugnant troll gives you any credibility?
A person is known by the company they keep, why would you associate yourself with this vacuous shameless con man is beyond comprehension.
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It's the way of Whell's World. Ignorance and hate rule there. His posts are 100% trolling. Always have been. Hatred is strong in this one.
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01-17-2023, 11:43 PM
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Former Federal Prosecutor Nick Ackerman: 5-Year Statute of Limitations Clears Biden of Any Classified Doc Penalties
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-f...doc-penalties/
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01-18-2023, 07:07 AM
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Well sort of. Better put: A federal judge rubber-stamped a DOJ request to see if he can find evidence of a crime. It's Robert Mueller all over again.
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Hardly. You can be sure that a federal judge and AG Garland demanded a high level of proof to search a former president's residence. Hell, they had video of the documents being moved after the DOJ demanded their return and ended up finding over 100 classified documents after Trump's lawyer signed an affidavit stating that all had been returned. IOW, their probable cause for obstruction proved to be absolutely true. Bottom line - Based upon facts known to the public, Trump has committed the crimes of willful retention of classified documents and obstruction of justice. Biden has not.
Also, Mueller secured 34 indictments. And if you don't like fishing expeditions searching for a crime, wait until you hear about Gym Jordan's new committee.
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01-18-2023, 08:52 AM
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It's the way of Whell's World. Ignorance and hate rule there. His posts are 100% trolling. Always have been. Hatred is strong in this one.
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....buh...buh...but Joe Biden is an honest guy.
I love how you assume "ignorance and hate" in someone just 'cuz they disagree with you.
I love how you call me every name in the book, and then suggest that "hatred is strong" in me.
You're a real piece of work Chicklet.
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01-18-2023, 09:11 AM
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....buh...buh...but Joe Biden is an honest guy. 
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As a Trump fanboy and apologist, you have no standing whatsoever to criticize Biden's veracity.
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01-18-2023, 09:17 AM
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Hardly. You can be sure that a federal judge and AG Garland demanded a high level of proof to search a former president's residence. Hell, they had video of the documents being moved after the DOJ demanded their return and ended up finding over 100 classified documents after Trump's lawyer signed an affidavit stating that all had been returned. IOW, their probable cause for obstruction proved to be absolutely true. Bottom line - Based upon facts known to the public, Trump has committed the crimes of willful retention of classified documents and obstruction of justice. Biden has not.
Also, Mueller secured 34 indictments. And if you don't like fishing expeditions searching for a crime, wait until you hear about Gym Jordan's new committee. 
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Actually, I believe the number of indictments resulting from the Mueller probe stands currently at 37.
Of course, I don't know of any prosecutor or DA that pats themselves on the back for their indictments. They tend to value convictions. Of those 37, the total is 7 convictions, and a few of those were folks who copped a plea rather than risking a trial.
Of course, none of those convictions came at the expense of the guy who was the investigation's target. So, I'd very charitably call that a very modest success story, particularly with the millions of dollars spent by Mueller and other investigative bodies looking at the same evidence.
As for the judge who signed off on the warrant for the Mar a Lago raid, it's actually less common for a judge to refuse a request for a warrant. As we saw, for example, with the warrants approved by the FISA courts and signed off by the DOJ, there causal evidence underlying the warrants was shaky at best. The IG's report concluded that the FBI would not have had enough claimed evidence to secretly surveil Carter Page, and thus the Trump 2016 campaign, without using the Steele Dossier (which has been thoroughly debunked, and the FBI knew it was crap at the time).
So, to your point above, can I be sure that "a federal judge and AG Garland demanded a high level of proof to search a former president's residence?" Nope, I can't be sure, particularly given the DOJ's prior actions.
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01-18-2023, 09:18 AM
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As a Trump fanboy and apologist, you have no standing whatsoever to criticize Biden's veracity.
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As a left-leaning hater of all things Repub or conservative, you have no standing whatsoever to tell me what I can or cannot criticize. Besides, I posted the list from CNN of Biden's recent whoppers, so take it up with CNN if you don't like Biden's "veracity" questioned.
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01-18-2023, 09:25 AM
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As a left-leaning hater of all things Repub or conservative, you have no standing whatsoever to tell me what I can or cannot criticize. Besides, I posted the list from CNN of Biden's recent whoppers, so take it up with CNN if you don't like Biden's "veracity" questioned. 
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I have no issue whatsoever with principled conservatism. Unfortunately, principled conservatism has no place in today's GOP (and is the reason I bailed from it ~20 years ago in favor of my current independent status). As for your criticism of Biden's veracity, it rings very hollow after you reflexively defend Trump, the source of ~31K lies during his tenure, including the Big Lie that formed the basis of a violent insurrection against the USA.
Your incessant whataboutism is as shallow as it is stupid, almost as stupid as you now relying on a list from CNN, a source you constantly characterize as "fake news."  You'll grasp at anything to defend Dear Leader.
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