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[Chicks]

Donny Fumes at Karl Rove Over His Fox News Analysis That Fmr. President’s Confidential Docs Issue is Worse Than Biden’s

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/tr...e-than-bidens/

Even Rove, a piece of “conservative” crap, gets it. This is a “nothingburger”.

[RickeyM]

The MAGA micro-minds have reduced it to just having the classified documents which allows them to clutch their collective pearls while ignoring the criminal acts by which the Mango Menace came to hold the documents that he tried to claim he didn't have at all, that he claimed the FBI planted, that he declassified with his mind, that he wants back because (finders' keepers) they're actually his.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by whell

Did Biden remove classified documents? Yes.

Did Biden maintain possession of those documents? Yes.
However, your other points of comparison are far less relevant than the basic fact that "he had them, and he should not have had them", and then hypocritically criticizing another for doing what he did.

You call me "clueless", but you then make a statement like "Biden is an honest man"? If you really believe that, you're further gone than I thought. Biden has had a long and remarkable history of trouble with the truth.

Here, let me help you just a bit: https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/20/polit...021/index.html

Biden, being VP at the time was authorized to possess said documents. He did not "take them away" from where they belonged.
For Biden to "maintain possession" of the documents he would have had to do like tRump and take them to his personal residence.
Conservatives are harping on "he had them" to vainly paint this as bad as tRump's outright theft. But hey, whell you keep on digesting and regurgitating Reich-wing media talking points, because that's jut what you do.

[whell]

Originally Posted by GChief

While these seem to be the facts. The handling of the "discovery" seems to have been handle correctly for this type of situation, this is the huge difference in the two cases and it carries a lot of weight in the investigating.

I will not be surprised if that office is cleared for classified material and if it was stored properly will just be an "oops we forgot to turn this in" ... "here is the training those involved need to do" and that's the end of it.

Just finished an investigation last week, someone plugged into wrong LAN drop. Since it was reported correctly as soon as it was discovered and deemed inadvertent with no intent of plugging into the "secret" LAN the result was training for that individual.


Again, just the observations of a guy that as dealt with this since 1985

I hear you. To me, the timing is rather suspect here, and in Washington DC, there's no such thing as a coincidence. The discovery and production of documents in Biden's case happened just days before the 2022 election. It's hard not to suspect the two are somehow related.

And now it appears additional classified documents have been found in Biden's possession.

Regarding the Trump documents, I still don't know if there was ever a satisfactory explanation of how the FBI - who knew the documents were at Mar a Lago and had been out to see them previously, and directed that they be placed under lock and key (a request that was complied with) - went from "we know the documents are there and we're not taking any further action" to an armed raid. I'm sure some will disagree with this....

[whell]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

Biden, being VP at the time was authorized to possess said documents. He did not "take them away" from where they belonged.

Really? They belonged in boxes and U of Penn? Ho do you figure that?

[Mark B]

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No doubt this looks bad.

I'd like to know the timeline and chain of custody for the documents. Surely the Feds keep such information.

[GChief]

To the chain of custody, I will not be surprised that at the end of all this neither Trump or Biden ever had official "custody" of any of this material, it will more than likely be a staffer.

I used to sign out material all the time for Flag level briefings and working groups, Admirals never signed for it, always a staffer. I really do not see the WH doing this any different.

[finnbow]

[whell]

Originally Posted by Mark B

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No doubt this looks bad.

I'd like to know the timeline and chain of custody for the documents. Surely the Feds keep such information.

Chain of custody tracking on Federal classified documents? Doubt it. If that were the case, the "document control" folks - assuming there were any - would have been all over something like Hillary's personal server long before it became a news item.

Sadly, whether it's Trump, Biden, or whatever government official, I suspect this is a more widespread issue than we know. Think of all the House members and Senators that are exposed to these documents, their staffs, members of the sprawling Federal bureaucracy, etc. The risk of lost, strayed and stolen documents are immense. Protected information getting passed from Federal employees, contractors, etc. to foreign actors makes news periodically, and I suspect there's more of that going on than makes the news or gets prosecuted.

How did all that information get on Wikileaks, for example, if there was a strong document control? We've known for a while that China has been stealing US tech and their military contains many copy-cats of US weapons and military craft.

With a government this large, there are many, many holes that classified information can flow through.

[GChief]

Originally Posted by whell

With a government this large, there are many, many holes that classified information can flow through.

I was the custodian for one of the John Walker vaults before I retired. There were only 7 of us in that office and I would find stuff laying around all the time, our office was SCIF so no harm no foul, but we all knew to put it back in the vault when done and it didn't always happen.

I can't image much control with a bunch of elected chuckleheads and their staffs.