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[donquixote99]

Supoena them! They are boneheads! (Hate is such fun!)

Maybe try sending them threats--boy would THAT be fun!

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

So, an article that had already gone viral was "spiked?" Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

Maybe you need to explain that to Jack Dorsey. Tell him that he apologized to Congress for something that sounds ridiculous to you.

The story did not "go viral" on any platform that barred users from sharing the story, which is what Twitter did.

Originally Posted by finnbow

Yeh, we can all watch Gym Jordan get to the bottom of this.


On the off chance that you actually want to understand the Hunter Biden laptop brouhaha (as opposed to the wingnut disinformation you routinely spew here), here's an in-depth article by the founder of TechDirt, a well-known blog focusing on technology's legal challenges and related business and economic policy issues. It's very detailed and highly informative and puts to rest all the breathless bullshit you're spewing.

It's a nice story, but it doesn't really address the elements of this story that I'm concerned about or have written about here. However, contrary to Techdirt's assertions, at least one person - Yoel Roth - has stated that the Feds specifically mentioned that the Biden laptop story was part of a hack and leak operation:

https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/murs/7827/7827_08.pdf

Twitter had been warned throughout 2020 by federal law enforcement agencies to be on the alert for expected “hack-and-leak operations” undertaken by malign state actors, in which those state actors might hack electronic communications of individuals associated with political campaigns and seek to disseminate the leaked materials over Twitter and other social media platforms.26 Reports from the law enforcement agencies even suggested there were rumors that such a hack-and-leak operation would be related to Hunter Biden.

Of course, by then the FBI had possession of the laptop for over a year.

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Supoena them! They are boneheads! (Hate is such fun!)

Maybe try sending them threats--boy would THAT be fun!

I'll leave that to you, Don.

[Rajoo]

This thread is getting too one sided. So who the heck squashed the Stormy Daniels story? National Enquirer? At least that was real and salacious whereas a story of a laptop is extremely boring. Even a high schooler can hack into a Windows PC and find out what was in it.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

This thread is getting too one sided. So who the heck squashed the Stormy Daniels story? National Enquirer? At least that was real and salacious whereas a story of a laptop is extremely boring. Even a high schooler can hack into a Windows PC and find out what was in it.

"I'm right and all the experts in the field are boneheads." One-sided for sure.

[GChief]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

"I'm right and all the experts in the field are boneheads." One-sided for sure.

Are we talking about the climate

[donquixote99]

Same for everything.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Maybe you need to explain that to Jack Dorsey. Tell him that he apologized to Congress for something that sounds ridiculous to you.

The story did not "go viral" on any platform that barred users from sharing the story, which is what Twitter did.

You were the one who said it went viral before the Twitter ban (which is true, BTW). If anything, the 2 day Twitter ban helped fuel it going (further) viral, particularly for a story that even Fox News and the WSJ were unwilling to run because of its unverified nature and dubious sourcing (Rudy and Derkach).

It's a nice story, but it doesn't really address the elements of this story that I'm concerned about or have written about here. However, contrary to Techdirt's assertions, at least one person - Yoel Roth - has stated that the Feds specifically mentioned that the Biden laptop story was part of a hack and leak operation:

https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/murs/7827/7827_08.pdf

Twitter had been warned throughout 2020 by federal law enforcement agencies to be on the alert for expected “hack-and-leak operations” undertaken by malign state actors, in which those state actors might hack electronic communications of individuals associated with political campaigns and seek to disseminate the leaked materials over Twitter and other social media platforms.26 Reports from the law enforcement agencies even suggested there were rumors that such a hack-and-leak operation would be related to Hunter Biden.

There's a big difference "suggesting there were rumors that such a hack-and-leak operation would be related to Hunter Biden" and "stating" that it was.

In any event, this suspicion was well-founded in that Guiliani and his criminal accomplice Andrii Derkach (a Russian agent) were trying to peddle Hunter laptop contents earlier in 2019 in Ukraine (Derkach was recently indicted for money laundering and sanctions violations) and in August 2020, U.S. counterintelligence chief William Evanina identified Derkach as a key participant in Russian efforts to harm Joe Biden's candidacy in the 2020 U.S. presidential election. Then in March 2021 the US intelligence community released its analysis showing that Derkach was among proxies of Russian intelligence who promoted and laundered misleading or unsubstantiated narratives about Biden. Lastly, in May 2021 Facebook took a Ukrainian influence-for-hire network offline that was linked to Derkach.

Of course, by then the FBI had possession of the laptop for over a year.

Also untrue. They got his laptop via a Wilmington grand jury subpoena in Dec. 2019.

You really seem invested in believing a bunch of innuendo and lies as long as they reflect poorly on Joe Biden (notwithstanding the fact Hunter Biden is not Joe Biden and has never worked in his father's administration and the FBI demands you assert occurred didn't actually occur and if even they did, it was Trump's FBI).

It's particularly funny to watch after all of the disingenuous bullshit you've spewed for years to cover for Trump's rampant and obvious criminality.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You were the one who said it went viral before the Twitter ban (which is true, BTW). If anything, the 2 day Twitter ban helped fuel it going (further) viral, particularly for a story that even Fox News and the WSJ were unwilling to run because of its unverified nature and dubious sourcing (Rudy and Derkach).

I didn't say that. It was a quote from Dorsey. But I see what you're saying now and yes, it was spreading fast before on the platform before Twitter spiked it. Twitter's own efforts to contain the story became self-defeating.

Originally Posted by finnbow

There's a big difference "suggesting there were rumors that such a hack-and-leak operation would be related to Hunter Biden" and "stating" that it was.

Maybe, but it's clear that Twitter and Facebook reacted to the story in the same way once they saw it. Somehow both were able to connect the dots in the same way from a NY Post story back to warnings that they got from the Feds. Given Roth's comments, I think it's pretty clear why they both reacted the same way.

Originally Posted by finnbow

Also untrue. They got his laptop via a Wilmington grand jury subpoena in Dec. 2019.

Oh! Gee, sorry. I was off by a couple months. In any case, the point is that FBI had plenty of time between the end of 2019 and October 2020 to figure out what was on that laptop.

Originally Posted by finnbow

You really seem invested in believing a bunch of innuendo and lies as long as they reflect poorly on Joe Biden (notwithstanding the fact Hunter Biden is not Joe Biden and has never worked in his father's administration and the FBI demands you assert occurred didn't actually occur and if even they did, it was Trump's FBI).

It's only an innuendo if there aren't facts to back it up. In the case of Twitter and Facebook's conduct, the facts speak for themselves. The question is what, if any, liability does a social media platform have in a case like this? I suspect, not a lot.

Liability or not, this still looks like "censorship by proxy". Its also not just about the laptop story. It's about selective silencing / banning individuals for what they believe in. The NY Post and White House employees get their accounts suspended for "retweeting" the story. But posts like this one have been up on Twitter for years and no one seems to care: https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/stat...hilated-381215. And there's plenty more like this from this idiot's Twitter feed that stay up and available, but others are suspended or kicked off for "hateful rhetoric" or "inciting violence".

These actions certainly prompt questions and, where appropriate, disdain.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

I didn't say that...

What you continue to conveniently overlook is that the laptop story had already been proferred by Guiliani (under investigation at the time for FISA violations with Russia-leaning Ukrainians) and Derkach in Ukraine (a Russian intelligence agent subsequently indicted by the Feds who was under investigation for helping "to orchestrate a wide-ranging plan to meddle in the 2020 presidential campaign, including using Rudolph W. Giuliani to spread their misleading claims about President Biden and tilt the election in Donald J. Trump's favor.").



In other words, the people behind this story were a guy now being disbarred for lying to American courts about the 2020 election and a Russian spy indicted for conspiracy to violate the International Emergency Economic Powers Acts (IEEPA), bank fraud , and money laundering.



Accordingly, this story was viewed with extreme (and deserved) skepticism by everyone (including Fox News and the WSJ) and the only person willing to write an article about the unverified and sketchy allegations for the (slimy) NYPost was a former Hannity staffer (and current Breitbart scribe). And you feel that a private company was under some sort of legal obligation to link to it, particularly after Trump solicited and received Russian help in 2016 (in large part via social media)? You seem to have a profound misunderstanding of the First Amendment and a lot of unwarranted trust in Rudy and his Russian spy buddy.