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[Chicks]

Top US conservatives pushing Russia’s spin on Ukraine war, experts say
Some of the Kremlin’s most blatant falsehoods aimed at undercutting US aid are promoted by major figures on the right
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...in-ukraine-war

Whell's World. "Conservatives" regurgitate Russian propaganda, Whell and his pals swig it down, unquestioningly: "Thank you sir, may I have another!?"

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by finnbow

His Dear Leader, a very stable genius, is publicly sympathizing with J6 seditionists, supping with neo-Nazis, clamoring for the Constitution to be trashed and is likely a few short months away from being indicted for multiple felonies (update: his company was just convicted on multiple felony fraud counts). In the words of Fleetwood Mac, "Heroes are hard to find" and Whell's hero for the past 6 years, who he has defended through thick and thin, is self-destructing before our very eyes.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by bobabode

At least you published this reeking pile of manure in the right place Mike. Get some help, man. You're losing it.

Whell keeps on believing in nonsense, even after his Dear Leader lost the Senate bigly for the Repukes. Sad!

[Chicks]

Herschel Walker just wrote Donald Trump's political obituary
It is time for Donald Trump to step away from politics

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/hers...tical-obituary

Sorry if this causes our resident MAGAMorons’ heads to explode, but this is from Faux “News”.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It was Trump's FBI, not Biden's. Moreover, the Trump White House (as opposed to the Biden campaign) also asked for stuff to be taken down (as can any private citizen, BTW) and the posts they wanted taken down were dick pics and not the NYPost story (proffered by Rudy and refused by both the WSJ and Fox News). There was no coercion and thus no implication of the First Amendment. Indeed, a Trump DHS official recently said "The Twitter Files are silly. I was in the room when top tech companies briefed public officials about election security efforts on their platforms. You know who was also in the room? Trump White House officials! They never protested."

I love how you love to take disparate, often competing facts and try to lace it all together info your idea of a response. For example: "It was Trump's FBI, not Biden's."

1) I guess the argument you're making is that "whose FBI it is" is supposed to matter. This is the same FBI that, ofr example, used that "dossier" as a basis for FISA warrants that were then used to spy on Trump's campaign. So, the best you might be able to say is that it was Comey's FBI, which is not exactly a compliment.

2) "There was no coercion and thus no implication of the First Amendment." Since when is "coercion" a required component of a first amendment case? To me, the precedent is the "Pentagon Papers" case. It was determined that the Nixon admin's efforts to keep the "Pentagon Papers" from being published was a violation of the newspaper's First Amendment. There's no difference in what Nixon was trying to accomplish - keep the government's expansion of the Vietnam War a secret - versus what the FBI (either knowingly or unknowingly at the behest of Biden) was trying to accomplish - keep potentially damaging information about the Biden family/business dealings from becoming public info. Both actions were about restricting access to information about the conduct of elected individuals.

Originally Posted by finnbow

And no, the little MAGA dweeb's spat with the Native American on the mall isn't remotely analogous to a concerted effort by Fox News to amplify the Big Lie (which they knew to be false and which ultimately led to the only attack on the US Capitol over 200 years and the only non-peaceful transition of power in American history). Moreover, the Big Lie was a key element in a conspiracy to defraud the United States, something a media giant shouldn't be an active participant in.

I agree in part. A "media giant" like WaPo or NY Times should not knowingly publish stories or make statements that they know to be false, or mispresent the facts. Except that they do it all the time. The "little MAGA dweeb's" case is just another example of that. For once, the "victim" of media malpractice was able to hold a media giant like CNN accountable for their shoddy reporting and on-air editorializing.

As far as Fox News, they need to be held to the same standards as CNN which is arguably not a high bar for Fox News. On the other hand, you'd have to prove, as laid out in New York Times Company v. Sullivan, that Fox News had actual malice guiding their actions. That's a pretty big legal hill to climb.

Originally Posted by finnbow

As for the dossier, it was Lindsey Graham who encouraged John McCain to turn the dossier over to the FBI and the FBI didn't use to it to open an investigation of Trump (it started months before the dossier even existed) and it wasn't the MSM who released it. It was Buzzfeed. Oh, and Russiagate was not a hoax. Try to keep up, Whellie. Every post you make reveals how misinformed you are.

You need to read the articles you post. Lindsay Graham did turn a copy of the "dossier" over to the FBI the day after he received a copy. He actually urged McCain to do the same thing that he had already done. I also never said that the "dossier" was used to open an investigation of Trump. It was used by the FBI, after it was known that Steele and his information were not reliable, to obtain FISA warrants to surveil Trump's campaign:

Our review found that FBI personnel fell far short of the requirement in FBI policy that they ensure that all factual statements in a FISA application are "scrupulously accurate." We identified multiple instances in which factual assertions relied upon in the first FISA application were inaccurate, incomplete, or unsupported by appropriate documentation, based upon information the FBI had in its possession at the time the application was filed. We found that the problems we identified were primarily caused by the Crossfire Hurricane team failing to share all relevant information with OI and, consequently, the information was not considered by the Department decision makers who ultimately decided to support the applications.

Page viii and forward goes into more detail about specific ommissions of fact - likely purposeful - that the FBI had about the target of those warrants - Carter Paige - that would have undercut any support for "probable cause".

Please also don't waste time, particularly in light of the facts above, posting an opinion piece from the Atlantic in an attempt to prove your point that "Russiagate was not a hoax". There was plenty of "hoaxing" going on, my willfully uninformed friend.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Herschel Walker just wrote Donald Trump's political obituary
It is time for Donald Trump to step away from politics

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/hers...tical-obituary

Sorry if this causes our resident MAGAMorons’ heads to explode, but this is from Faux “News”.

Actually, I've agreed with this for quite some time.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Top US conservatives pushing Russia’s spin on Ukraine war, experts say
Some of the Kremlin’s most blatant falsehoods aimed at undercutting US aid are promoted by major figures on the right
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...in-ukraine-war

Whell's World. "Conservatives" regurgitate Russian propaganda, Whell and his pals swig it down, unquestioningly: "Thank you sir, may I have another!?"

While you and yours call facts "Russian Propaganda". See how that works?

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Top US conservatives pushing Russia’s spin on Ukraine war, experts say
Some of the Kremlin’s most blatant falsehoods aimed at undercutting US aid are promoted by major figures on the right
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...in-ukraine-war

Whell's World. "Conservatives" regurgitate Russian propaganda, Whell and his pals swig it down, unquestioningly: "Thank you sir, may I have another!?"

Originally Posted by whell

While your and yours call facts "Russian Propaganda". See how that works?

Wash, rinse, repeat.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

I love how you love to take disparate, often competing facts and try to lace it all together info your idea of a response. For example: "It was Trump's FBI, not Biden's."...

Once again, the length of your post correlates directly with its vacuousness.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Once again, the length of your post correlates directly with its vacuousness.

Translated: I got caught spinning and not reading my own linked articles at the same time, so I better leave well enough alone.