Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time meta analysis of 63 studies

[whell]

Old joke, but it highlights the issues surrounding gov't communications about COVID:

What do Biden, Harris, and Fauci all have in common? They all got vaccinated and bolstered, and they all had COVID.

5/15/2021: Fauci: Vaccinated people become ‘dead ends’ for the coronavirus.
7/21/2021: Biden: "You're not going to -- you're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."
7/21/2022: Fauci: Covid Will Keep Infecting People, Even the Vaccinated
CDC Right Now: Masks and respirators (i.e., specialized filtering masks such as “N95s”) can provide different levels of protection depending on the type of mask and how they are used. Loosely woven cloth products provide the least protection, layered finely woven products offer more protection, well-fitting disposable surgical masks and KN95s offer even more protection, and well-fitting NIOSH-approved respirators (including N95s) offer the highest level of protection.
April 1, 2020, Dr. Lisa Brosseau, University of Minnesota: Wearing a cloth mask or face covering could be better than doing nothing, but we simply don’t know at this point. We have observed an evolution in the messaging around cloth masks, from an initial understanding that they should not be seen as a replacement for physical distancing to more recent messaging that suggests cloth masks are equivalent to physical distancing. And while everyone appears to understand that this messaging suggests that a cloth mask is appropriate only for source control (ie, to protect others from infection), recent CDC and other guidance recommending their use by workers seems to imply that they offer some type of personal protection.

These are just a few examples of the type of misinformation/contradictory information that was legion when COVID was at its peak. And while politicians bleated constantly about "following the science", it was pretty clear that there was some selectivity about what science they chose to follow.

In any case, is it any wonder that pushback and questioning the "official narrative" on strategies to combat COVID were the result? That's when COVID became "political", and folks, like Dr. Brosseau for example, were challenged with political rather than scientific arguments.

Ivermectin is a petty good example of this, as well. I think the best we can say is that there's disagreement about the effectiveness of using the drug as a COVID treatment, which is supported by evidence on both sides of the argument. While articles posted here reference studies that find no effectiveness, there are other studies that suggest that Ivermectin in combination with doxycycline for treating COVID-19 symptoms may be an effective treatment method. Examples:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33983065/
https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/1...ing_the.4.aspx

These studies suggest that Ivermectin, combined with other therapeutic drugs, may be a cost-effective and safe way to help folks with mild to moderate COVID infections. Ivermectin when used on its own was not shown to be effective.

[RickeyM]

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Old joke, but it highlights the issues surrounding gov't communications about COVID:

What do Biden, Harris, and Fauci all have in common? They all got vaccinated and bolstered, and they all had COVID.

The unvaccinated died in much larger proportions than those who were vaccinated. I am glad that Biden, Harris and Fauci survived. Lets not forget that TFG survived Covid too and he was also vaccinated, so why is it he is not in your stupid joke list?

Texas has seen nearly 9,000 COVID-19 deaths since February. All but 43 were unvaccinated people.

Preliminary data shows 99.5% of COVID-related deaths in Texas were among unvaccinated people, according to the Department of State Health Services.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07...inated-deaths/

The success of COVID-19 vaccination campaigns in many states demonstrates the real-world feasibility, and impact, of achieving high vaccination coverage. By the end of July, the five highest-performing states — Vermont, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, and Rhode Island — had fully vaccinated an average of 74 percent of adults and lowered rates of COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths compared with other states. In contrast, the two states with the greatest burdens of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths currently — Florida and Texas — had fully vaccinated only 59.3 percent and 55.6 percent of their adult residents, respectively.

We calculated the number of deaths, hospitalizations, and cases that could have been averted if Florida and Texas had reached vaccination coverage of 74 percent. We found that by doing so, together the two states could have averted more than 70,000 hospitalizations and 4,700 deaths by the end of July.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blo...ved-4700-lives

Btw, why are you still harping on this dead topic. Shouldn't you be out rejoicing and partying to celebrate Trump declaring his run in 2024? If you still have your 2020 flag, I will send a Sharpie make the 0 look like a 4. No point in spending money on a new flag, better to send Trump the money.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Old joke, but it highlights the issues surrounding gov't communications about COVID:

What do Biden, Harris, and Fauci all have in common? They all got vaccinated and bolstered, and they all had COVID...

Yawn. Another lame attempt to cover for the Clorox-guzzling Dotard and his mentally deranged acolytes.

[Chicks]

Been guzzling the old Swanson TV Dinner scion's hateful swill again, Whell?

[whell]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

The unvaccinated died in much larger proportions than those who were vaccinated. I am glad that Biden, Harris and Fauci survived. Lets not forget that TFG survived Covid too and he was also vaccinated, so why is it he is not in your stupid joke list?

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07...inated-deaths/

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blo...ved-4700-lives

Btw, why are you still harping on this dead topic. Shouldn't you be out rejoicing and partying to celebrate Trump declaring his run in 2024? If you still have your 2020 flag, I will send a Sharpie make the 0 look like a 4. No point in spending money on a new flag, better to send Trump the money.

Originally Posted by finnbow

Yawn. Another lame attempt to cover for the Clorox-guzzling Dotard and his mentally deranged acolytes.

Originally Posted by Chicks

Been guzzling the old Swanson TV Dinner scion's hateful swill again, Whell?

Typical that all 3 of you either didn't read my post or avoided the substance of my post in your responses. Congrats on being consistent.

@Rajoo - no one is contesting the efficacy of vaccinations. I am questioning the confusing messaging that rolled out of the course or a year or more on a number of topics including vaccinations, masking, etc.

[Chicks]

If you go back to the first pages of this thread, after the idiot OP’s post, you’ll see that none of the reasoning folks here have seen any inconsistencies. I’ve been wearing a mask, as recommended, in public indoors since the start. Still am, no Covid.

You want to make something out of nothing, to fit your Reich-wing narrative, as you always do. Your rants are simply not worth wasting time on.

[donquixote99]

OMG. In an ongoing crisis of an emerging pandemic and emerging scientific understanding and discoveries, with gross politicization and fogging by a demagogic right, there may have been instances of inconsistent or otherwise imperfect 'messaging.' Heads must roll!

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

...I am questioning the confusing messaging that rolled out of the course or a year or more on a number of topics including vaccinations, masking, etc.

So, people at NIH and CDC didn't have all the answers immediately for a novel coronavirus and whatever advice they did provide ended up (accurately) contradicting the Dear Leader and his loyal wingnuts hawking Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine. Unforgivable.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Typical that all 3 of you either didn't read my post or avoided the substance of my post in your responses. Congrats on being consistent.

@Rajoo - no one is contesting the efficacy of vaccinations. I am questioning the confusing messaging that rolled out of the course or a year or more on a number of topics including vaccinations, masking, etc.

Sorry, but that is exactly what you did with a stupid joke and why was Trump's name on the list? Besides with viruses, nothing is definitive because they mutate. Did you know that there is a new flu vaccine developed every year? And anyone who believes that masks do not help is by and large an ill educated moron. For proof, check out multiple threads on this topic on AK and everyone of them got shut down.

And most of all, who started this mixed messaging on Covid-19? Trump and the goober states amplified it beginning with Ron DeSanctimonius and Greg Abbottross.