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[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Sometimes respecting someone who disagrees with you isn't easy, but I think we need to spend more time spreading the gospel that respecting folks with reasonable disagreements is always the best course.

If it were disagreement over policy issues, I'd wholeheartedly agree. Trumpism, however, isn't about policy. It's about "flooding the zone with shit" (Bannon's words) in an effort to confuse, demoralize and leave people with the belief that the truth and facts are unknowable (also a Putin tactic, BTW). What you're asking for is for people to treat the truth and blatant, cynical lies the same.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Again, replacement theory is a Dem-originated talking point.

Here's Lara Logan (now a MAGA wingnut news person) on NewsMax:

I spoke to a man who said he infiltrated the global cabal at the UN and had papers to prove they had a plan to infiltrate 100 million illegal immigrants to dilute the pool of patriots so they could take over the US... The open border is Satan's way of taking control of the world. The ones who want us eating insects, cockroaches...while they dine on the blood of children...They're not going to win."

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...20052788981760
https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/s...69972267696134

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

So, when my next-door neighbor, whose been a union guy and auto worker for most of his life, and has Dem candidate election signage on his front lawn, hangs his flag out on Memorial Day, Independence Day, or Labor Day, he's a fake patriot and Trumpist? Please explain to me how that works.

This is an actual story. I have a neighbor in Tahoe who is dyed in the wool Trumper who has met Trump several times during the annual celebrity golf tournament in Tahoe. I have known this guy for over 25 years and in general is a good guy who used to be a big shot in a Casino.

One of my other neighbors (ultra liberal) who lives across the street from him put up a BLM flag in front of his house. Being subjected to the BLM flag daily, the Trumper would have none of it and eventually they settled, the BLM flag guy had to also fly the US flag.


Show me a US flag in front of a house, chances are 99% that inside lurks a Trumper. A neighbor directly across the street from us in Reno flies a US Marines flag instead of a US flag for the very same reason, he does not want to be misidentified. A lot of the homes around us have in-ground flag poles and most are unadorned including ours. The US flag has been misappropriated.

[donquixote99]

These days, a US flag needs to be accompanied by a BLM flag, a blue yard sign, or other non-MAGA symbol.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

You've certainly extrapolated several paragraphs of your own agenda from what I did NOT say or imply with your considerably extensive reply to what I did not say.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

That first part is often omitted in most of the MAGA cancel culture arguments. Good if it works and it does with the Cult blurring the boundary between the government and private business.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

The US flag has been misappropriated.

Ya think?

[Chicks]

A Michigan high school student's mural angers MAGAMoron parents
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/20/11297...an-lgbtq-satan

Whell's World.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

If it were disagreement over policy issues, I'd wholeheartedly agree. Trumpism, however, isn't about policy. It's about "flooding the zone with shit" (Bannon's words) in an effort to confuse, demoralize and leave people with the belief that the truth and facts are unknowable (also a Putin tactic, BTW). What you're asking for is for people to treat the truth and blatant, cynical lies the same.

Set aside Trumpism for a minute. That's your exclusive focus, not mine.

Someone getting fired for using what some might consider offensive language is should not have to pay the price of their livelihood for it.

Having politicians pass laws that interfere with free speech is wrong.

Having the Department of Homeland Security try to create a "Disinformation Bureau" to push so that the government can control or refute the news of the day is wrong. That's not a legitimate role of government. That's the legitimate role of the media, particularly the editorial section of media.

Acting out against individuals who happen to disagree with your point of view is wrong.

I think these are objective standards that supersede policy or ideology.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Acting out against individuals who happen to disagree with your point of view is wrong.

Tell that to Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger or Joe O'Dea.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Show me a US flag in front of a house, chances are 99% that inside lurks a Trumper.

I seriously doubt this, but I understand that many hard-core leftists view the US flag as a symbol of oppression and racism.

Originally Posted by Rajoo

A neighbor directly across the street from us in Reno flies a US Marines flag instead of a US flag for the very same reason, he does not want to be misidentified. A lot of the homes around us have in-ground flag poles and most are unadorned including ours. The US flag has been misappropriated.

I agree, but for different reasons. The left has always loved to criticize "patriots" or "flag wavers". But setting that aside, Repubs had been trending as more likely to fly the flag than Dems long before Trump was elected.

Then, along comes Trump and you start to hear about the MAGA movement "appropriating the flag". I don't think the MAGA movement appropriated the flag. I think it was a convenient accusation to throw at the MAGA crowd by the left as an excuse to explain a trend that had been underway for a while.

You've even got the media supporting that narrative by writing op-ed columns about how its time for liberals to "take back the flag". Example here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1333994002/

The question I have (tongue in cheek) is: if you've given something away that you never really wanted in the first place, why do you need to "take it back"?

The real question is: Why take something back that you never lost in the first place? If you're saying the "flag was misappropriated", then fight back and fly it, and then post your "Biden 2024" yard sign. Then folks will know you're not a Trumper but you still think the country is worth celebrating. Otherwise, you're just capitulating to the "MAGA crowd".