Thirty Years On, How Well Do Global Warming Predictions Stand Up?

[whell]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Is Whell actually evolving!? His MAGAMoron pals are running around cutting cords off EV recharging stations and blocking them with their huge, gross-polluting diesel pickup trucks.

Right on. Doesn't it remind you of the left's glory days when things like tree spiking were all the rage? Reminiscing probably gives you a lump in your throat.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Oerets

""Solar Power Is Helping Some Puerto Rico Homes Avoid Hurricane Fiona Blackouts""




“Hurricane Fiona is just one more example of the urgency needed to transition to an electrical system that’s resilient and provides people what they need, which is rooftop solar and storage,” says Cathy Kunkel, an energy program manager at San Juan-based sustainability nonprofit Cambio PR. “Puerto Rico needs something that’s not going to go out every time a major storm hits, because we’re just getting more and more of them.”

https://dnyuz.com/2022/09/20/solar-p...ona-blackouts/



Someday there will be no other choice then going renewable. We have already gone way beyond the point of no return on preventing drastic changes. Survival mode will soon become apparent.

Then the blaming pointing fingers....... At those on the wrong side of history.

That someday is here and now and presently solar power generation is the most economical, negative being that power is only generated when the sun is up and about and it drops precipitously in the winter. Pumped storage is a very easy and viable storage option, but requires a lot more investment. I don't believe that storing power in batteries is an economical viable option but sodium based batteries are evolving.

Nuclear is by far the best option, but it takes years and years of planning and construction. Doubt we as a country will ever shed the disdain for nuclear power, yet we make submarines and other nuclear powered naval vessels!

Power from other sources, cost of fuel will continue to make it prohibitive and will also take years to commission.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Right on. Doesn't it remind you of the left's glory days when things like tree spiking were all the rage? Reminiscing probably gives you a lump in your throat.

You are engaging in a classic conservative debate tactic - trying to label Democrats as equally fucked up as Republicans based upon singular or rare events not supported by the party's rank and file or its leadership, whereas Republicans idiocy, political violence (and even fascism) are supported up and down the party from the base through to its leaders.

You also did this regarding the conservative kid recently run over and killed in North Dakota as if this relatively rare event is as frequent as the far more frequent and deadly political violence by the Right (Jan. 6, massacres in Charleston, El Paso, Pittsburgh, Oklahoma City, Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, Sikh Temple in Wisconsin ...). Of the 443 people killed at the hands of extremists over the last 10 years, 333 (or 75%) were killed by right-wing extremists. Of the remainder most were from Black nationalists and Muslim extremists and hardly any by the Left. From 2008-2017, 71% of extremist murders were attributable to the Right and 3% to the Left.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

That someday is here and now and presently solar power generation is the most economical, negative being that power is only generated when the sun is up and about and it drops precipitously in the winter. Pumped storage is a very easy and viable storage option, but requires a lot more investment. I don't believe that storing power in batteries is an economical viable option but sodium based batteries are evolving.

Nuclear is by far the best option, but it takes years and years of planning and construction. Doubt we as a country will ever shed the disdain for nuclear power, yet we make submarines and other nuclear powered naval vessels!

Power from other sources, cost of fuel will continue to make it prohibitive and will also take years to commission.

I would not disagree at all with your assessment of nuclear energy (I worked in that industry for ~20 years), but for the apparent death of the repository at Yucca Mountain (upon which I consulted for several years). Now, we have no capacity (or even a plan) to deal with used fuel rods from nuclear plants beyond on-site storage. The US government took untold billions from the nuclear industry for studies and construction of a repository, but now we're back to square one even if the studies and construction at Yucca Mountain are largely complete.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I would not disagree at all with your assessment of nuclear energy (I worked in that industry for ~20 years), but for the apparent death of the repository at Yucca Mountain (upon which I consulted for several years). Now, we have no capacity (or even a plan) to deal with used fuel rods from nuclear plants beyond on-site storage. The US government took untold billions from the nuclear industry for studies and construction of a repository, but now we're back to square one even if the studies and construction at Yucca Mountain are largely complete.

I wonder why we do not reprocess spent nuclear fuel rods other than for economic reasons. India does this, so does Russia, Japan and China if my information is correct.

Storing is perhaps the cheapest option, put the rods in a lead casket, bury them deep underground and monitor the environment. But then politicians and citizens are suspicious of scientists and rightfully so. As a matter of civil engineering, this should be easier than digging a chunnel under a river or a bay.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

I wonder why we do not reprocess spent nuclear fuel rods other than for economic reasons. India does this, so does Russia, Japan and China if my information is correct.

Storing is perhaps the cheapest option, put the rods in a lead casket, bury them deep underground and monitor the environment. But then politicians and citizens are suspicious of scientists and rightfully so. As a matter of civil engineering, this should be easier than digging a chunnel under a river or a bay.

And many more countries, including France (the most successful and efficient of the nations who reprocess fuel). It's all about non-proliferation. Reprocessing fuel or using breeder reactors results in material more suitable for bomb-making (i.e., plutonium) than the the 3-5% enriched U235 used for nuclear fuel. We're afraid of diversion of those materials (or at least that's the argument that resulted in current US policy on the matter).

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by finnbow

And many more countries, including France (the most successful and efficient of the nations who reprocess fuel). It's all about non-proliferation. Reprocessing fuel or using breeder reactors results in material more suitable for bomb-making (i.e., plutonium) than the the 3-5% enriched U235 used for nuclear fuel. We're afraid of diversion of those materials (or at least that's the argument that resulted in current US policy on the matter).

But countries that have nuclear ambitions do this anyway, such as India which went on to build nuclear bombs. An original 'research reactor' CIR was built with the help of both Canada and the US. Later on the FRP (fuel reprocessing plant) was built I assume totally by indigenous means.

Pakistan and now Iran's nuclear development, which seems to be totally focused for weapons (with Pakistan's covert help), is something I had not followed. Surprising since Iran is all Shia and Pak is all Sunni.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

But countries that have nuclear ambitions do this anyway, such as India which went on to build nuclear bombs. An original 'research reactor' CIR was built with the help of both Canada and the US. Later on the FRP (fuel reprocessing plant) was built I assume totally by indigenous means.

Pakistan and now Iran's nuclear development, which seems to be totally focused for weapons (with Pakistan's covert help), is something I had not followed. Surprising since Iran is all Shia and Pak is all Sunni.

It makes no sense to me either, but inertia often keeps such programs in place.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You are engaging in a classic conservative debate tactic - trying to label Democrats as equally fucked up as Republicans based upon singular or rare events not supported by the party's rank and file or its leadership, whereas Republicans idiocy, political violence (and even fascism) are supported up and down the party from the base through to its leaders.

You also did this regarding the conservative kid recently run over and killed in North Dakota as if this relatively rare event is as frequent as the far more frequent and deadly political violence by the Right (Jan. 6, massacres in Charleston, El Paso, Pittsburgh, Oklahoma City, Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, Sikh Temple in Wisconsin ...). Of the 443 people killed at the hands of extremists over the last 10 years, 333 (or 75%) were killed by right-wing extremists. Of the remainder most were from Black nationalists and Muslim extremists and hardly any by the Left. From 2008-2017, 71% of extremist murders were attributable to the Right and 3% to the Left.

My comments were spot on. In this case, I could care less if you don't like them. And I'm not sorry that you were triggered by them, resulting in the exhoration about "Republican idiocy, political violence (and even fascism) are supported up and down the party from the base through to its leaders". What a bunch of verbal diarrhea.

Here's a question for you? Why is it that this group - for example - has no entry of the leftist bible of extremist groups, the Southern Poverty Law Center.

https://janesrevenge.noblogs.org/202...st-communique/

The FBI admits their existence and states that they have the group under investigation. Yet, several bombings of pro-life centers and not one arrest. Not even a statement that they have a "person of interest".

Over the summer of 2020, thousands were arrested for participating in the BLM riots in various cities across the country. These were organized demonstrations with political demands, yet to my knowledge not one of those convicted was charged with any crimes related to political insurrection, or terrorism.

And, yes, Shannon Brandt mowed down a kid, Cayler Ellingson, with his SUV. Somehow he thought that it would be an OK "defense" to tell the cops that the kid was part of a "right-wing" hate group.

Now, after the Gabby Giffords shooting, I was pilloried here by forum members who insisted that the shooter Jared Lee Loughner was triggered by a Republican campaign video that had icons resembling crosshairs. There was at that time and still is no evidence that Lougher ever saw the video. That theme spun on and on for weeks afterward in the media.

Yet, this poor kid Ellingson gets his young life cut short, and the MSM's reporting on Brandt and the killing appears to done. There's no desire at all to investigate or even discuss whether Brandt was motivated by Biden's speech, when he shouted about America being at an “inflection point” because “MAGA Republicans” “do not respect the Constitution.” “Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic!” This speech was well stage-managed, complete with red background and Biden's clenched fists. (Biden kinda sounds like you too.)

Hawaii Sen. Mazie Hirono said fighting pro-lifers is “is literally a call to arms in our country.” Rep. Tim Ryan, running for US Senate in Ohio, said, “We have to kill and confront that [extremist] movement.” And those are just this month.

Left-wing violence exists and is alive and well. Just because it's either under-reported or buried by the media doesn't mean that it's not out there.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Left-wing violence exists and is alive and well. Just because it's either under-reported or buried by the media doesn't mean that it's not out there.

Of course it exists, but at 3% vs 71% for right-wing domestic terrorism. If you don't recognize that far-right extremism is significantly more dangerous than far-left extremism, you're both delusional and in denial. Indeed, the GOP with its overt gun worship/fetishism and talk of Second Amendment solutions against "tyranny" deliberately feeds this violence. Hell, 4 in 10 Republicans say political violence may now be necessary.

Right-wing extremism in the United States appears to be growing. The number of terrorist attacks by far-right perpetrators rose over the past decade, more than quadrupling between 2016 and 2017. The recent pipe bombs and the October 27, 2018, synagogue attack in Pittsburgh are symptomatic of this trend. U.S. federal and local agencies need to quickly double down to counter this threat... (B)etween 2007 and 2017 attacks occurred in virtually every state in the United States.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-f...-united-states