Putin Invades the Ukraine

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Pride of the Russian fleet, the Mockba has been sunk. She sleeps with Neptune in the Black Sea.


Play stupid games, you lose Vladimir.

The Russian Defense Ministry said the Moskva -- flagship of the country's Black Sea fleet -- was being towed to port when it "lost its stability due to damage to the hull received during the fire from the detonation of ammunition.

... you know, ammunition, it detonates sometimes. Could've been anything. A defect, an operator error, gremlins, missile strike, who can tell of such things.

whups!

[donquixote99]

^^^ Could not have happened to a nicer navy....

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

As much as I'm glad to see the Ukrainians take the fight to the Russkies (yay!), I worry about a possibly unstable and desperate Putin.

In order to survive the likely full court press coming from the Russians in the East, the Ukrainians almost certainly need more heavy weaponry like tanks etc from 'us' (the western world). If Putin can't even secure a limited 'win' in the east soon, will he escalate?

Ye gods. If Hillary would've beaten Obie, Russia and Iran would've taken at least much more damage in Syria if not have outright lost. Likely then (speculation) Russia wouldn't be so bold now.

"I looked into his eyes and I could tell he's a good man."---GWB.

Then there's Trump, running around with his "I Love Dick-Taters" t-shirt and his knee pads, whining because we wouldn't let him hold giant, North Korea style military parades.......Republicans who claim to love freedom and Democracy sure have some strange ideas about heavy handed militaristic tyrants......

I'm thinking maybe if the United States had stopped treating Vlad like a legitimate leader long ago and treated him as the brutal tyrant he really is, this might not have happened?

[Oerets]

The fact is unless forced to back down, he will never stop pushing forward. Getting more and more emboldened committing ever increasing heinous crimes.

There comes a time when facing an adversary, for me you just say FK it lets dance.....

[Chicks]

NYT op-ed pitches an 'obvious solution' to crippling Vladimir Putin's financial stronghold

https://www.alternet.org/2022/04/obv...ladimir-putin/

”An obvious solution is staring us in the face," they wrote. "President Biden could liquidate the tens of billions of dollars the Russian central bank has parked in the United States as part of its foreign exchange reserves; by some estimates, those funds may total as much as $100 billion."

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Chicks

NYT op-ed pitches an 'obvious solution' to crippling Vladimir Putin's financial stronghold

https://www.alternet.org/2022/04/obv...ladimir-putin/

Russian-government and private assets may be seized as spoils in accordance with the laws and customs of war, should we go to war with Russia. But as of now we are not in a state of war. Russia's conduct give very adequate cause for us to declare war, but until we do we obey international law, even if they do not. Otherwise how can we criticize their conduct as being destructive of lawful international order?

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Oerets

The fact is unless forced to back down, he will never stop pushing forward. Getting more and more emboldened committing ever increasing heinous crimes.

There comes a time when facing an adversary, for me you just say FK it lets dance.....

According to John Mearsheimer it is coming to that.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

According to John Mearsheimer it is coming to that.

I certainly agree that Ukraine is a better place to stop Putin than Latvia. Just have to stop him with a certain degree of finesse, to keep the world from getting blown up. Keep your fingers crossed.

[Oerets]

Will this world allow evil to wipe out a nation leaving total devastation behind? Pure aggression and a useful distraction at home to preserve one own power.

Because the country has oil to sell and nukes it will be excused?

If so then, that is game set match for freedom loving countries who believe in rule of law.

[RickeyM]

Ol' Pootin can declare his special military action a success and bring his troops home. He wants Ukraine but does he want a Ukraine that's been reduced to rubble? Does he want to occupy a nation of people who loath him and all things Russian? Afraid of Pootin using nukes? Putin should be afraid of using nukes. Him using nukes is an admission that Ukraine's military kicked his military's ass. He's "warned" Western nation about helping Ukraine but that's just so much smoke being blown. The last thing he needs right now is having to go up against Western powers or NATO. He's got a strong propaganda operation at home. He could just convince the people that approve of his "military action" that it was a success and now he's bringing his boys home.