The US Census Under Trump

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Waggs098

So do you think illegal immigrants should be able to to help decide how many representatives a state has or how many tax dollars they get?

Yes!


I have two solutions to illegal immigrants. If enacted would self deport the problem


1) Any and all businesses who hire them is seized, impounded. All assets confiscated.

2) Any and all who rent to sell to, shelter have the same fate. Seizure of property and assets.



Nowhere to work or live will leave.


Right now their is a reason they are here. Plenty of those who one one hand support them by employing and renting. Then complain about the problem.

[Waggs098]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Are they persons?

Yes they are person's but to me don't fall under "the whole number of FREE persons". If they are here illegally then they technically are not a citizen and not free.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Waggs098

Yes they are person's but to me don't fall under "the whole number of FREE persons". If they are here illegally then they technically are not a citizen and not free.

The slave states were a driving force in having ALL of the population counted!

[Waggs098]

Originally Posted by Oerets

The slave states were a driving force in having ALL of the population counted!

Obviously to gain more power to the weight of the people who can vote. The same reason sanctuary cities want illegal immigrants counted.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Waggs098

Obviously to gain more power to the weight of the people who can vote. The same reason sanctuary cities want illegal immigrants counted.

You in favor of the Electoral Collage deciding the President over a majority vote??

[Waggs098]

Originally Posted by Oerets

You in favor of the Electoral Collage deciding the President over a majority vote??

I'm not 100% on that one. Haven't decided for myself if we should have the electoral college or not. It is based on the majority though.

The citizens vote on the reps and sens then, the ec puts their votes twords the majority vote in most cases. Nebraska and Maine are the only states that will split ec votes based on district and maybe all states should go that way. The ec does give more election power to lower populated states which as a whole may be the way to go so that say new York and California don't entirely decide the election.

How do you feel on it?

[donquixote99]

Main problem with the EC is it overweighs the voteS of low population states, since even the smallest get 3 EC votes. In Wyoming each electoral college vote represents under 200,000 people. Other extreme is California, that only get one vote for every 718,000 people. Scarfing up all the low-population rural states is how Trump won in 2016 with less that a majority of the vote.

[Oerets]

The EC is out dated IMO.

Was brought about to equalize the slave states and rural areas with the urban.

Much like giving each state two senators no matter the population.


Is there a good fix?
Doubt it!

[nailer]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Main problem with the EC is it overweighs the voteS of low population states, since even the smallest get 3 EC votes. In Wyoming each electoral college vote represents under 200,000 people. Other extreme is California, that only get one vote for every 718,000 people. Scarfing up all the low-population rural states is how Trump won in 2016 with less that a majority of the vote.

Please provide a link to this analysis since it contradicts what I read in The Guardian (70k votes in three states) and WaPo (100k votes in four states) back in 2016 is why Trump won.

BTW, if Clinton had won it would have been with less than a popular vote majority too.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by nailer

BTW, if Clinton had won it would have been with less than a popular vote majority too.

Seriously?

This kind of nonsense.

Good God.