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[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Waggs098

Who are the people who shouldn't have access? What do you consider reasonable restrictions?

First and foremost, firearm custodianship should be considered a privilege to be vetted to standards, not an unrestricted right to anyone with a pulse. This is unlikely to ever happen, so, moving on.

Mentally/emotionally unfit persons should be forbidden access, to include unstable persons with proven poor judgement and poor impulse control. Common sense.

Personal arsenals outside of FFL dealers of record should be tightly regulated. Ammo hoarding as well. Tracking unregulated militia groups associated with these activities makes good sense.

Tactical high capacity/ rapid fire weaponry should be restricted and treated as full auto, special permits with an expiration. Issued mainly to game wardens who deal with potentially dangerous creatures, bears, wild boars, etc, and poachers who fire on wardens. Yes, that's a thing.
Civilians and sport hunters have no practical civilian application or justification for tactical weaponry as tools for mass murder.

Responsible persons should be able to defend their household and enjoy regulated hunting and sport shooting activities, state and local regulations cover this under the 10th amendment.
That's off the top of my head.

[Waggs098]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

First and foremost, firearm custodianship should be considered a privilege to be vetted to standards, not an unrestricted right to anyone with a pulse. This is unlikely to ever happen, so, moving on.

Mentally/emotionally unfit persons should be forbidden access, to include unstable persons with proven poor judgement and poor impulse control. Common sense.

Personal arsenals outside of FFL dealers of record should be tightly regulated. Ammo hoarding as well. Tracking unregulated militia groups associated with these activities makes good sense.

Tactical high capacity/ rapid fire weaponry should be restricted and treated as full auto, special permits with an expiration. Issued mainly to game wardens who deal with potentially dangerous creatures, bears, wild boars, etc, and poachers who fire on wardens. Yes, that's a thing.
Civilians and sport hunters have no practical civilian application or justification for tactical weaponry as tools for mass murder.

Responsible persons should be able to defend their household and enjoy regulated hunting and sport shooting activities, state and local regulations cover this under the 10th amendment.
That's off the top of my head.

How do you determine mentally and emotionally unfit?

What is a personal arsenal?

High capacity rapid fire. I took guns like that down into the pasture and would chop small trees in half with them. 30 round banana clips. Don't see the big deal.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Waggs098

How do you determine mentally and emotionally unfit?

What is a personal arsenal?

High capacity rapid fire. I took guns like that down into the pasture and would chop small trees in half with them. 30 round banana clips. Don't see the big deal.

Great fun I'm sure. Rifle like that makes a neat toy. Unfortunately I don't see why we have to run the risk of a mass shooter killing dozens of people with his two taped-together 30-round clips, just so you can enjoy playing with such a gun.

[Waggs098]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Great fun I'm sure. Rifle like that makes a neat toy. Unfortunately I don't see why we have to run the risk of a mass shooter killing dozens of people with his two taped-together 30-round clips, just so you can enjoy playing with such a gun.

Any shooting I have heard of I have never blamed the gun, has never crossed my mind. The problem is it takes a person to pull the trigger. Somehow some people don't understand that though.

A person can take a car and drive through a crowd of protestors and no one blames the car they rightfully blame the person in the car. Guess it's just a difference of opinion that will never change.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Waggs098

Any shooting I have heard of I have never blamed the gun, has never crossed my mind. The problem is it takes a person to pull the trigger. Somehow some people don't understand that though.

A person can take a car and drive through a crowd of protestors and no one blames the car they rightfully blame the person in the car. Guess it's just a difference of opinion that will never change.

Driving a motor vehicle is considered a Iicenced and vetted privelege with delineated responsibilities, gun ownership is considered an unrestricted right by many, with lip service to responsible ownership and use at best. Either is subject to misuse and abuse, and neither is cognizant of the users fitness, sanity, or intentions.
We generally don't put folks into motor vehicles without proof of basic skills and awareness of laws and responsibilities with certification of training.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Driving a motor vehicle is considered a Iicenced and vetted privelege with delineated responsibilities, gun ownership is considered an unrestricted right by many, with lip service to responsible ownership and use at best. Either is subject to misuse and abuse, and neither is cognizant of the users fitness, sanity, or intentions.
We generally don't put folks into motor vehicles without proof of basic skills and awareness of laws and responsibilities with certification of training.

Me thinks that is the crux, thinking they would not pass the vetting...


So are against any impediments to obtaining their toys!

[Waggs098]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Driving a motor vehicle is considered a Iicenced and vetted privelege with delineated responsibilities, gun ownership is considered an unrestricted right by many, with lip service to responsible ownership and use at best. Either is subject to misuse and abuse, and neither is cognizant of the users fitness, sanity, or intentions.
We generally don't put folks into motor vehicles without proof of basic skills and awareness of laws and responsibilities with certification of training.

Are you saying all people who commit crimes with vehicles didn't have proper licenses?

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Waggs098

Are you saying all people who commit crimes with vehicles didn't have proper licenses?

No, obviously not.

[Oerets]

Is it not true that in most states one can possess a firearm without a permit?

No licenses or training?

I know of two states round me that are pretty much open season on bearing arms. All one needs is to pass a background check. Still can go to a gun show and pick one up with ease....

See any problem there?

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Waggs098

High capacity rapid fire. I took guns like that down into the pasture and would chop small trees in half with them. 30 round banana clips. Don't see the big deal.

... and you object when people say guns are no more than toys to some gun owners?