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07-25-2020, 01:41 PM
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Barbara Boxer: DHS was a mistake. I regret voting for it.
I never imagined a president like Trump when I voted to create the Department of Homeland Security.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...er-regret-dhs/
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Here’s where I went wrong: I never imagined that a president would use unconfirmed puppets like acting DHS secretary Chad Wolf and his deputy, Ken Cuccinelli, to terrorize our own citizens in our own country. Our goal then had been to protect our own people, not hurt them, not harm them, not hunt them down on the streets of Portland or any other city. There was no protection built into this bill to stop a power-hungry president from misusing a powerful federal police force, hidden in disparate agencies, controlled by one agency head — the thought never even occurred to me.
I also never imagined a president appointing a lobbyist who was not even confirmed by the U.S. Senate to head such a department. I never imagined a president cruel enough to initiate a child separation policy and put helpless children behind wire while their crying parents had no power to fight for their children.
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07-25-2020, 11:36 PM
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There are a lot of bad things that the Executive Branch of the US government could do that "never occurred" to the Legislative branch. Those gaps need to be closed.
Trumps coddled upbringing is misleading him into trying to force the issue without having popular support.
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07-26-2020, 01:38 AM
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Seattle protesters set fire to juvenile detention center construction site
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Seattle Police said on Twitter they were working to secure access for the city’s fire department to the blaze, which it said was started by about a dozen people who were part of a large group of demonstrators.
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This is why Trump is sending in federal agents.
U.S. authorities say 18 Portland protesters face federal charges
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Billy Williams, the Portland United States Attorney, said that five people were charged for allegedly committing crimes including assaulting a federal officer, trespassing and creating a disturbance during protests on the night of July 20-21.
Prosecutors said that seven people have been charged in connection with criminal conduct during a July 21-22 night protest. Another six were charged for their alleged actions in protests during the night of July 22-23.
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Tactical extraction of instigators among protestors. Local police tried to do the same but were ineffectual because the protestors could easily identify the enforcers.
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07-26-2020, 06:51 AM
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So, they were sent by the government to help, unbidden and unwelcome?
So, what would Saint Ronald have of that?
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07-26-2020, 07:20 AM
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They were sent to protect federal property. In Portland, the agents were deployed because of approximately $40,000 damage to the federal court house on July 4:
Riot declared as Federal Courthouse attacked in Portland
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Portland police “stayed away from the demonstrators, as there was not an identified life safety risk,” officials said in a release. They said no tear gas was used.
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...if local and state law enforcement refuse to enforce the law, guess who comes swooping in to do their job for them? Supremacy Clause.
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07-26-2020, 07:45 AM
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They were sent to protect federal property. In Portland, the agents were deployed because of approximately $40,000 damage to the federal court house on July 4:
Riot declared as Federal Courthouse attacked in Portland
...if local and state law enforcement refuse to enforce the law, guess who comes swooping in to do their job for them? Supremacy Clause.
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Wouldn't that be the job of the State Police and if necessary the National Guard? Protecting protect federal property is a thinly disguised excuse for "Law & Order" Donny. Think not? What federal property is he intent on "protecting" in the Democrat led cities he's threatening to send his storm troopers into? EVERYTHING he does is to bolster his reelection hopes.
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07-26-2020, 08:45 AM
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They were sent to protect federal property.
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Always amusing how the reich-wing slimeballs are all about "states' rights" until Orange Shitstain sends storm troopers that the states don't want, who proceed to bash heads, gas peaceful protestors, and stray FAR from the buildings they are supposedly "protecting". Fucking nazis.
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07-26-2020, 08:55 AM
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There is exactly ONE reason Orange Shitstain is sending storm troopers into our great cities run by Democrats. He's losing the country, and he's getting ready to suppress the vote, BIGLY. Authoritarians HATE losing; although Donny's been a lifelong loser, his lawyers and image-makers have been able to disguise it as "winning" to the gullible, like our resident idiot Trumpkin slimeballs.
Biden holds daunting lead over Trump as US election enters final stretch
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...election-polls
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07-26-2020, 09:05 AM
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Wouldn't that be the job of the State Police and if necessary the National Guard?
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Normally yes but since the protests and riots began, the governors of their respective states have refused to do so. Case in point: CHAZ/CHOP should have invoked a national guard response in Washington but didn't until after people were dying.
National Guard should also be called by the governor(s) which failed to do so. The federal government is left with only two choices: federal law enforcement agents or nationalize the national guard in their respective states. The latter is obviously excessive when there's only one building they need to protect so they did the former. The agents sent were broadly attached to Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security, not Department of Defense.
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Protecting protect federal property is a thinly disguised excuse for "Law & Order" Donny.
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It was literally on the affidavit that caused those federal resources to be moved.
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What federal property is he intent on "protecting" in the Democrat led cities he's threatening to send his storm troopers into?
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Almost all cities are "Democrat led." Additionally, virtually all of the protesting and lawlessness are in cities. None of this stuff is happening in rural and when it does, it's civil. There's no conflict
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EVERYTHING he does is to bolster his reelection hopes.
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Yes? Such is the nature of democracy. Politicians do what they think is best for their campaign.
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Always amusing how the reich-wing slimeballs are all about "states' rights" until Orange Shitstain sends storm troopers that the states don't want, who proceed to bash heads, gas peaceful protestors, and stray FAR from the buildings they are supposedly "protecting". Fucking nazis.
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There is exactly ONE reason Orange Shitstain is sending storm troopers into our great cities run by Democrats. He's losing the country, and he's getting ready to suppress the vote, BIGLY. Authoritarians HATE losing; although Donny's been a lifelong loser, his lawyers and image-makers have been able to disguise it as "winning" to the gullible, like our resident idiot Trumpkin slimeballs.
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Aspire to decency. Practice civility toward one another. Admire and emulate ethical behavior wherever you find it. Apply a rigid standard of morality to your lives; and if, periodically, you fail--as you surely will--adjust your lives, not the standards. --Ted Koppel
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07-26-2020, 09:19 AM
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Aspire to decency. Practice civility toward one another. Admire and emulate ethical behavior wherever you find it. Apply a rigid standard of morality to your lives; and if, periodically, you fail--as you surely will--adjust your lives, not the standards. --Ted Koppel
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This, coming from a Trumpkin? ROFLMAO.
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