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Old 07-18-2020, 11:54 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loctite

Used to be a facility in Akron that made medical adhesives.
Akron used to be a world leader on Polymers and synthetics when Goodyear and a few other chemical companies still had plants in the US.
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Old 07-19-2020, 06:05 AM
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"North Americans" refers to all people in North America; "South Americans" refers to all people in South America; "Latin Americans" refers to all people in Latin America; "Central Americans" refers to all people in Central America. One could refer to "American" as anyone from the North and South American continental plates which is also ironically true because since the United States of America was formed, it proactively worked to keep European powers out of the Western hemisphere.





Hippocratic oath: do no harm. No one can ask a medical professional to do anything that may be unsafe. Case in point: all staff in operating rooms are decked out in personal protective equipment because infection is always the greatest risk with surgery. Even with all the mitigation they do, it's still not enough because infections are still common.

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European refers to....?

Still you expect masks to be worn by the medical staff for the patients protection. Not up to personal freedoms.
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Old 07-19-2020, 07:30 AM
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Old 07-19-2020, 07:41 AM
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European refers to....?
United Kingdom, Spain, and France. This is strongly linked to the dispersal of their respective languages across the western hemisphere.

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Still you expect masks to be worn by the medical staff for the patients protection. Not up to personal freedoms.
This is oversimplification of the subject...
1) In the clinical setting, PPE was rare.
2) In the operating room setting, PPE was common place due to risk of infection/foreign body contamination.
3) The reason why PPE is common in clinical setting now is because doctors and nurses are the first line of defense in a pandemic: they have extraordinarily high risk of being exposed as well as giving the disease to their patients which may already have weakened immune systems due to other illness. If doctors and nurses all get sick, then there's no one left to treat them or anyone else; soaring deaths are inevitable.
4) Outside of the operating room and pandemic, hospitals and clinics often don't have a policy of wearing PPE by staff. It's costly with little benefit. Operating room is because of liability. Pandemic is because of liability and protecting staff; no staff, unable to service customers.
5) Hippocratic oath basically means no one can ask healthcare workers to not use PPE but they can elect not to outside of settings where it is mandatory (especially operating room). In the RCT, a handful elected not to wear masks.
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Old 07-19-2020, 08:29 AM
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Face Masks Really Do Matter. The Scientific Evidence Is Growing.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-ma...ng-11595083298

From that liberal bastion, the WSJ.

A whole lot more convincing that the blathering of some random dude.
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Old 07-19-2020, 08:31 AM
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What kind of face mask gives the best protection against coronavirus?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...virus-covid-19

More excellent reporting.
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Old 07-19-2020, 09:45 AM
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COVID-19: How much protection do face masks offer?

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...k/art-20485449

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Cloth face coverings are most likely to reduce the spread of the COVID-19 virus when they are widely used by people in public settings. And countries that required face masks, testing, isolation and social distancing early in the pandemic have successfully slowed the spread of the virus.

While surgical and N95 masks may be in short supply and should be reserved for health care providers, cloth face coverings and masks are easy to find or make, and can be washed and reused.
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Old 07-19-2020, 10:01 AM
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Ah, we've got a new one. Did Not Insane quit?

To mention just one point of many, a mask cannot become a "petri dish" for virus because viri cannot reproduce unless they infect living cells. That's science. Learned it in public school.
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Old 07-19-2020, 10:09 AM
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Bacteria can reproduce though which is why a cloth mask is more likely to make you sick. For example, strep throat (streptococcus pyogenes bacteria) is more likely wearing a cloth mask than no mask. Example:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...orst-time.html

You're right that viruses can't reproduce without a cellular host to manufacture copies. Problem is...Earth is a germy place and there's a lot more nasty stuff out there than just SARS-CoV-2 (e.g. ebola with a 50% fatality rate).

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Old 07-19-2020, 10:15 AM
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Considerations for Wearing Cloth Face Coverings
Help Slow the Spread of COVID-19

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-guidance.html

CDC recommends that people wear cloth face coverings in public settings and when around people who don’t live in your household, especially when other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.

Cloth face coverings may help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus to others.

Cloth face coverings are most likely to reduce the spread of COVID-19 when they are widely used by people in public settings.

Simple.
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