Left Wing Wacko takes hostages

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

So, the only reason that the Forestry Industry is by far and away the largest planter of trees is that the what to assure continuity of raw materials for production? Henry Ford was, then, just an exception to the rule, by acting on the belief that land use was pivotal (his legacy is still in practice today)? How are the entrepreneurs and industrialists who are investing in renewable and green energy sources reconciled with your above statement?

It's possible to take the tree metaphor too far - and I think I have. I think you get the drift, however, and can think of your own examples of industrial ravaging of the planet. One example would be Exxon Mobil's ongoing destruction of the Niger Delta. Another would be Haliburton's "fracking" operations.

Henry Ford was indeed an exception. He wanted to have his auto manufacturing as self-contained as possible. To that end he had his own iron mines and even his own rubber plantations in Brazil. I'm not aware, however of anything especially "green" about those operations. He was quite a visionary in many ways. (Of course, he was also quite the SOB.)

I think those industrialists engaged in renewables must be those few Left Wing industrialists, the exceptions that prove the rule.

Look, I told you I wasn't sold on this idea.

John

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by whell

I asked a question to clarify a pretty broad brush statement that didn't make much sense to me.

No, you didn't. You intentionally asserted an undeniably extreme position as a response to his post in an effort to make him look like he was saying something he didn't say. That's all fine and dandy, but don't pretend like you did otherwise. If you were honestly confused by his straightforward post you're not nearly as smart as I thought you were.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

No, you didn't. You intentionally asserted an undeniably extreme position as a response to his post in an effort to make him look like he was saying something he didn't say.

Hell, it's what he always does. I hardly even notice any more.

John

[merrylander]

Let's see, from all the posts I can then conclude that if you are concerned about the environment you are a left winger but if you don't give a damn about the environment you are a right winger. Works for me.

BTW the sole reason the lumber industry plants trees is survival, and they plant them mainly because they practice clear cutting and that sucks.

[finnbow]

OK, forget the baseball bat. How about the marine fisheries industries? They succeeded in wiping out the codfishing industry on George's Bank, the most prolific fishery in the world. They also wiped out the oyster fishery in the Chesapeake (with help from pollution from the agricultural industry). Then they proceeded to try and wipeout the blue crab and striped bass fisheries in the Chesapeake.

You'll never guess who saved the blue crab and striped bass fisheries in the bay. Government! (with the commercial fishing industry kicking and screaming the entire time). They had a hell of a time keeping Virginia from dredging up female crabs during the winter in their spawning areas though.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You'll never guess who saved the blue crab and striped bass fisheries in the bay. Government!

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[whell]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

No, you didn't. You intentionally asserted an undeniably extreme position as a response to his post in an effort to make him look like he was saying something he didn't say. That's all fine and dandy, but don't pretend like you did otherwise. If you were honestly confused by his straightforward post you're not nearly as smart as I thought you were.

Yes, I did. I may not have telegraphed my intention too well, however. Sometimes it helps to do a "reductio ad absurdum" to illustrate when something doesn't quite make sense.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Hell, it's what he always does. I hardly even notice any more.

John

See below

[whell]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

If you were honestly confused by his straightforward post you're not nearly as smart as I thought you were.

I've never claimed to be the sharpest knife in the drawer, either!

[Boreas]

My own mention, and relative ignorance, of Ford's rubber production efforts led me to fire up the Google machine. What I learned speaks volumes about industrial imperialism, American arrogance and indifference to environmental ignorance.

John