Cost of Health Care Continues to Rise

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by whell

At what point did I "disqualify" you? I acknowledged that individuals bring their own experiences to the discussion which generate emotional responses. I simply suggested that emotionalism doesn't necessarily lead to constructive solutions.

Reading my posts rather than reacting to what you think my "agenda" might be could lead to a more productive discussion.

you pretty much not answered a question I have asked

you have been busy "positioning" and "framing" instead

it simply is not working

BTW, everything is as simple as it is complex

you can't hide by announcing complexity is paralysis

(well you can but it does not work)

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by merrylander

If anyone there is considering abandoning single payer for a system like ours it would have to be that barking idiot Harper.

And as one sided and distorted as that (eight year old) paper is, it doesn't say that, though Whell's original post implied that it does.

John

[whell]

Originally Posted by noonereal

you pretty much not answered a question I have asked

you have been busy "positioning" and "framing" instead

it simply is not working

BTW, everything is as simple as it is complex

you can't hide by announcing complexity is paralysis

(well you can but it does not work)

I've been attempting to discuss. Maybe this isn't the place for it?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

At what point did I "disqualify" you? I acknowledged that individuals bring their own experiences to the discussion which generate emotional responses. I simply suggested that emotionalism doesn't necessarily lead to constructive solutions.

You dismissed Noone's post out of hand because, being ill, he lacks "objectivity". If I were Noone, I'd be plenty pissed off. Hell, I am pissed off. You got a lotta nerve, pal.

Reading my posts rather than reacting to what you think my "agenda" might be could lead to a more productive discussion.

Likewise, if you were to leave your agenda outside in the car............

John

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

And as one sided and distorted as that (eight year old) paper is, it doesn't say that, though Whell's original post implied that it does.

John

My original post was regarding the rise of premium in the US Healthcare system. We swerved into a discussion about the Canadian system.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by whell

I've been attempting to discuss. Maybe this isn't the place for it?

Whell

Discussion is good. Of course it is. I love to learn and am actually eager to hear from someone "in" healthcare as yourself.

review this thread however. You want to control the thread and direct it. That and discussion is completely different.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

You dismissed Noone's post out of hand because, being ill, he lacks "objectivity". If I were Noone, I'd be plenty pissed off. Hell, I am pissed off. You got a lotta nerve, pal.

John

OK, I'm out. I was attemting to have a discussion. Lots of folks reading stuff that's just not there, and now its starting to get personal.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by whell

My original post was regarding the rise of premium in the US Healthcare system. We swerved into a discussion about the Canadian system.

and I suggested (in earnest) that we take the profit out of healthcare and how did you react?

anyway I'll move on, hope you have better luck "leading" the conversation

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

My original post was regarding the rise of premium in the US Healthcare system. We swerved into a discussion about the Canadian system.

Yeah, how in the world did that happen?

John

[whell]

I'll try this one more time. After re-reading my comments, I can see how they might have been misconstrued. As I stated, my object was not to "disqualify" participation from the discussion of any poster. However, if the remarks caused offense, my apologies.

We swerved into a discussion of the Canadian system due to a remark about the virtues of single payer. Its no secret that Canada, the UK, and other systems are now struggling under the weight of the rising cost of care. These are the same dynamics that pushed health care into the national debate in this country, and ultimately produced the PPACA earlier this year. It remains to be seen if this law will have intended impact.

Posts in these forums are great vehicles to share ideas and debate their relative merits. However, participants in these forums, my self included, are not all gifted writers. Well intended posts can be mis-construed and cause offence where none is intended. This thread seems to get contentious early, as two of my posts were immediately dismissed as "BS". I brought no ill will to this discussion, but it seems as if ill will was assumed by some. I have no ax to grind with anyone here, and certainly have no ax to grind on this topic, though I have some thoughts based on my experience. I've not been posting here long enough to develop any clear idea about anyone personally. The reverse is also true, however.