Another church mass killing

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Its not a criminal history that would likely pop on a background check. So, in the context of this discussion, which is the Obama - era EO that would have magically kept the Texas shooting from happening - at least that's what you got Rajoo thinking that - there's no criminal history that would have popped on a background check.

So, why post something about Trump rolling back an EO that has nothing to with yesterday's shooting?

Bullshit. What was pointed out was that your Dear Leader immediately attributed this shooting to mental illness not long after shitcanning an EO that would have prevented tens of thousands of mentally ill from getting weapons. Meanwhile, your Dear Leader and the GOP still haven't done shit about bump stocks, nor kept people on the Terrorist Watch List from buying guns.

Your massively stupid argument is that since there isn't a law that would have absolutely prevented this specific mass murder, why do anything? Your argument boils down to "Since no law will prevent all crime within its intended scope, there should be no laws." I guess that's in keeping with the nihilistic worldview of you Trumpsters. There is simply nothing your ignorant Dear Leader does that you will not defend, no matter how nonsensical or counter-factual your argument.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Sorry no, my opinion on this was formed a long time ago. And that is:

People with guns kill, more people with guns and more people will get killed. It's called the law of averages.
As for assault weapons a simple question is why and where is ownership of an assault weapon guaranteed in the constitution?

Sorry, no. That wasn't the point you were making in this post:

http://www.politicalchat.org/showpos...1&postcount=21

[finnbow]

Speaking of domestic disputes leading to gun murders at churches, this also happened Sunday:

Manuel Garcia was waiting for his estranged wife and her new boyfriend when they came out of church in the central California city of Fresno, authorities said.

The Garcias had raised four children in 43 years of marriage — but a month ago, Martha Garcia filed for divorce, Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer told reporters. Shortly after, Martha Garcia told family and friends that there was a new man in her life.

The new couple had attended a 7:30 a.m. mass at St. Alphonsus Church on Sunday.

An hour later, officers were called to the church parking lot, where they found the couple in a car, both with gunshot wounds to the head.

Martha Garcia was dead. Her boyfriend, whose identity has not been released, died a little while later.

Manuel Garcia, authorities said, killed them both.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ica-on-sunday/

I guess this is what freedom looks like in the eyes of conservatives.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Bullshit. What was pointed out was that your Dear Leader immediately attributed this shooting to mental illness not long after shitcanning an EO that would have prevented tens of thousands of mentally ill from getting weapons. Meanwhile, your Dear Leader and the GOP still haven't done shit about bump stocks, nor kept people on the Terrorist Watch List from buying guns.

Your massively stupid argument is that since there isn't a law that would have absolutely prevented this specific mass murder, why do anything? Your argument boils down to "Since no law will prevent all crime within its intended scope, there should be no laws." I guess that's in keeping with the nihilistic worldview of you Trumpsters. There is simply nothing your ignorant Dear Leader does that you will not defend, no matter how nonsensical or counter-factual your argument.

You can fill up a post with all kinds of crap that doesn't answer my question, but the question still remains. I'll try it one more time.

YOU made the point, not Trump, by linking to a NBC news article from back in February, not to any comments Trump made today or yesterday, that an Obama-era EO would was nixed by Trump. That EO would have:

...added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

As I pointed out, there's no evidence to suggest that either of those scenarios would have applied to Devin Patrick Kelley. So, the question, why post it in this thread? Simple question, seems like it shouldn't require more than a simple answer.

Oh, there's also no evidence that Kelley used a bump stock. Not sure why you're bringing that up.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Sorry, no. That wasn't the point you were making in this post:

http://www.politicalchat.org/showpos...1&postcount=21

That post was a criticism of your deflections here whereas the last post is a response to you. You on the other hand sound like a broken record while simply repeating talking points from Trump, LaPierre & Company.

Ever tried forming your own opinion, it can lead you to nirvana on earth, though in Detroit may be a tall order.

[barbara]

Bottom line.... more guns = more gun violence.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

That post was a criticism of your deflections here whereas the last post is a response to you. You on the other hand sound like a broken record while simply repeating talking points from Trump, LaPierre & Company.

Ever tried forming your own opinion, it can lead you to nirvana on earth, though in Detroit may be a tall order.

I've formed an opinion that you were repeating Finn's BS and now want to distance yourself from it.

There, how was that?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

You can fill up a post with all kinds of crap that doesn't answer my question, but the question still remains. I'll try it one more time.

YOU made the point, not Trump, by linking to a NBC news article from back in February, not to any comments Trump made today or yesterday, that an Obama-era EO would was nixed by Trump. That EO would have:

...added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

As I pointed out, there's no evidence to suggest that either of those scenarios would have applied to Devin Patrick Kelley. So, the question, why post it in this thread? Simple question, seems like it shouldn't require more than a simple answer.

Oh, there's also no evidence that Kelley used a bump stock. Not sure why you're bringing that up.

I never once said that the EO would have specifically prevented these murders, dimwit. I said that your Dear Leader was very quick to blame (undiagnosed) mental illness (while dismissing guns as an contributing factor) just months after shitcanning an EO that would have kept tens of thousands of mentally ill from getting guns.

The point of the bump stock and Terrorist Watch List references were equally clear - Trump and the GOP simply don't want to do anything about gun violence. They'll blame mental illness or terrorism for gun violence (or bump stocks for the horrific body count in Vegas), but won't do anything to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill or terrorists or to outlaw bump stocks.

You truly are a mental midget, Whell, willing to parrot any ridiculous or inane right-wing talking points. You're hopelessly ignorant, just like your Dear Leader. Little wonder you'll defend anything and everything that moron does.

[finnbow]

U.S. Senator Chris Murphy after yesterday's shooting:

"The paralysis you feel right now – the impotent helplessness that washes over you as news of another mass slaughter scrolls across the television screen – isn’t real. It's a fiction created and methodically cultivated by the gun lobby, designed to assure that no laws are passed to make America safer, because those laws would cut into their profits. My heart sunk to the pit of my stomach, once again, when I heard of today's shooting in Texas. My heart dropped further when I thought about the growing macabre club of families in Las Vegas and Orlando and Charleston and Newtown, who have to relive their own day of horror every time another mass killing occurs.

“None of this is inevitable. I know this because no other country endures this pace of mass carnage like America. It is uniquely and tragically American. As long as our nation chooses to flood the county with dangerous weapons and consciously let those weapons fall into the hands of dangerous people, these killings will not abate.

“As my colleagues go to sleep tonight, they need to think about whether the political support of the gun industry is worth the blood that flows endlessly onto the floors of American churches, elementary schools, movie theaters, and city streets. Ask yourself – how can you claim that you respect human life while choosing fealty to weapons-makers over support for measures favored by the vast majority of your constituents.

“My heart breaks for Sutherland Springs. Just like it still does for Las Vegas. And Orlando. And Charleston. And Aurora. And Blacksburg. And Newtown. Just like it does every night for Chicago. And New Orleans. And Baltimore. And Bridgeport. The terrifying fact is that no one is safe so long as Congress chooses to do absolutely nothing in the face of this epidemic. The time is now for Congress to shed its cowardly cover and do something."

https://www.murphy.senate.gov/newsro...rings-shooting

I've owned guns for over 50 years, taught Rifle and Shotgun Shooting to Boy Scouts seeking the merit badge, taught NRA Hunter Safety, am a NRA Distinguished Expert in smallbore rifles and a Range Safety Officer at my local gun club and agree with him completely.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You truly are a mental midget, Whell, willing to parrot any ridiculous or inane right-wing talking points. You're hopelessly ignorant, just like your Dear Leader. Little wonder you'll defend anything and everything that moron does.

Rush has really done a number on Whell. Sad!