Another church mass killing

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

No criminal history. No history of mental illness. Was apparently "unknown to police". And as to your post of the irrelevant news item above, would not have been receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses. As far as people "deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs", at least at this point there's no information out there that a court appointed someone else to handle Kelly's financial affairs.

No criminal history? He spent a year in prison for assaulting his wife and child and was then discharged from the military for bad conduct (BTW, domestic violence is a primary predictor of gun violence).

The Obama action would have kept guns out of the hands of 75,000 mentally ill people. Perhaps it wouldn't have kept the gun out of this particular individual's hands, but it would have done so for tens of thousands of people like him. Moreover, your Dear Leader, attributed this crime to mental illness (do you, for once, dispute your Dear Leader?) after having recently taken actions to ensure that mentally ill have access to guns. You're probably too blinded by your Dear Leader's brilliance to see the profound hypocrisy of his actions.

[whell]

I agree. The Washington Post is KG level stuff.

For the talking point readers like you, FYI - the local news is calling the guy a hero.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...r-12334070.php

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow;363671[B

]No criminal history? [/B] He spent a year in prison for assaulting his wife and child and was then discharged from the military for bad conduct (BTW, domestic violence is a primary predictor of gun violence).

That's right. NO CRIMINAL HISTORY in the local, state or federal system. His year in confinement was in the military due to a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and preceded his dishonorable discharge. At most, if a background check was run, and if the person running the background check specified a search of military records, they background check might have disclosed the dishonorable discharge but not the reason for it.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Perhaps it wouldn't have kept the gun out of this particular individual's hands, ....

So why bring it up? It has NOTHING to do with yesterday's tragedy.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

That's right. NO CRIMINAL HISTORY in the local, state or federal system. His year in confinement was in the military due to a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and preceded his dishonorable discharge. At most, if a background check was run, and if the person running the background check specified a search of military records, they background check might have disclosed the dishonorable discharge but not the reason for it.

You said "no criminal history." Spending a year in military prison for a conviction on domestic assault charges ain't exactly "no criminal history." Such crimes committed while in military service can be tried in military or civilian courts, at the discretion of the military.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

So why bring it up? It has NOTHING to do with yesterday's tragedy.

So, you're OK with your Dear Leader immediately saying that it had nothing to do with guns and everything to do with mental illness in the wake of him ensuring that 75,000 of America's mentally ill will have access to weapons?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

On the other hand, by post #2 in this thread, we had already moved past sympathy for the victims and jumped right into politicizing this tragedy. That may be a new record. Congrats!

So, so sad for the families of the victims. Sounds like the motivation of the shooter, beyond any psychological issues he may have had, was a significant anti-religious bias..

Authorities said the gunman, who was identified as Devin Kelley, 26, had sent “threatening texts” as part of the family dispute. They emphasized that the shooting at the church in Sutherland Springs near San Antonio did not appear to be fueled by racial or religious issues.

“This was not racially motivated, it wasn’t over religious beliefs,” Freeman Martin of the Texas Department of Public Safety said at a news briefing. “There was a domestic situation going on within the family and the in-laws.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...s-generations/

It appears to have been fueled by domestic/family issues, something he had spent a year in prison for and is a leading cause of gun violence.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You said "no criminal history." Spending a year in military prison for a conviction on domestic assault charges ain't exactly "no criminal history." Such crimes committed while in military service can be tried in military or civilian courts, at the discretion of the military.

Its not a criminal history that would likely pop on a background check. So, in the context of this discussion, which is the Obama - era EO that would have magically kept the Texas shooting from happening - at least that's what you got Rajoo thinking that - there's no criminal history that would have popped on a background check.

So, why post something about Trump rolling back an EO that has nothing to with yesterday's shooting?

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Its not a criminal history that would likely pop on a background check. So, in the context of this discussion, which is the Obama - era EO that would have magically kept the Texas shooting from happening - at least that's what you got Rajoo thinking that - there's no criminal history that would have popped on a background check.

So, why post something about Trump rolling back an EO that has nothing to with yesterday's shooting?

Sorry no, my opinion on this was formed a long time ago. And that is:

People with guns kill, more people with guns and more people will get killed. It's called the law of averages.
As for assault weapons a simple question is why and where is ownership of an assault weapon guaranteed in the constitution?

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Sorry no, my opinion on this was formed a long time ago. And that is:

People with guns kill, more people with guns and more people will get killed. It's called the law of averages.
As for assault weapons a simple question is why and where is ownership of an assault weapon guaranteed in the constitution?

See Scalia on the Heller decision.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dist...mbia_v._Heller