Its Official: Clinton Campaign Tied to Russian "Dossier"

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by bobabode

"Sean Hannity Goes Nuclear..."

Anyone who falls for this crap should be barred from the remote control.

He is just telemarketing for his own credibility and show. Regardless of whether Trump loses or wins, he will claim to be on the 'right' side. Hypocrites, every one of them and their listeners are too ignorant to know the difference.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by nailer

We might find out Monday if the rumor of Russiagate indictments is correct.

You awake now? Lol.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Our pal Whell falls for it, hook, line and sinker. Sad!

Its apparent to me that you're the one who continues to "fall for it". I've simply refused to fall for the BS the main stream media continues to pedal. Last night I was in a restaurant with my daughter. Up on the wall were a number of TV's with ESPN, CNN, MSNBC and the - I think - Tennis channel. All were on with the sound turned down.

A couple times I just had to laugh out loud at what I was seeing. Granted I couldn't hear what all the talking heads were babbling about. However, the captions running on the crawler at the bottom of the screen and from of CNN's graphics where just priceless. CNN was wall to wall about the indictments, and you could tell Wolf Blitzer and company were so serious about how all of this was more evidence of "collusion". At one point there was a hastily-constructed graphic of Manafort, Trump and Putin together that flashed on screen. Yes, lost in all of this was the fact that the nothing in the indictments support "collusion". No mention of Podesta's resignation either.

But hell, when would CNN or MSNBC let the facts get in the way of a good story?

[Chicks]

Don’t you mean the “drive by media”? What WILL you do when your hero Donny is finally forced from office? Continue to pretend it’s all a conspiracy by the press? Will be fun to watch.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Its apparent to me that you're the one who continues to "fall for it". I've simply refused to fall for the BS the main stream media continues to pedal. Last night I was in a restaurant with my daughter. Up on the wall were a number of TV's with ESPN, CNN, MSNBC and the - I think - Tennis channel. All were on with the sound turned down.

A couple times I just had to laugh out loud at what I was seeing. Granted I couldn't hear what all the talking heads were babbling about. However, the captions running on the crawler at the bottom of the screen and from of CNN's graphics where just priceless. CNN was wall to wall about the indictments, and you could tell Wolf Blitzer and company were so serious about how all of this was more evidence of "collusion". At one point there was a hastily-constructed graphic of Manafort, Trump and Putin together that flashed on screen. Yes, lost in all of this was the fact that the nothing in the indictments support "collusion". No mention of Podesta's resignation either.

But hell, when would CNN or MSNBC let the facts get in the way of a good story?

Two words - George Papadopoulos. And yes, Podesta's resignation was covered on CNN and the MSM (otherwise you and I would not know it occurred). In fact, it was first covered by Politico, not right-wing media. I think what's really occurring is that you're having real difficulty admitting to yourself that you voted for (and still support) a lying, traitorous, narcissistic asshole who has surrounded himself with crooks and liars.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by whell

Yes, lost in all of this was the fact that the nothing in the indictments support "collusion".

No indictments, just a guilty plea waiting for sentencing for now wait.....acts of Collusion!



Barney

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Two words - George Papadopoulos. And yes, Podesta's resignation was covered on CNN and the MSM (otherwise you and I would not know it occurred). In fact, it was first covered by Politico, not right-wing media. I think what's really occurring is that you're having real difficulty admitting to yourself that you voted for (and still support) a lying, traitorous, narcissistic asshole who has surrounded himself with crooks and liars.

One word - speculation.

As for Podesta's resignation, yes it was reported on. But my point was that in the 45 minutes that we watched last night: no mention of it on-screen, no mention of it in the crawl on CNN. But plenty of shots, video and crawls with Manafort and George P.

As for what's really occurring, you have no idea what I believe or what I've admitted to myself. You simply drink up whatever the media spews out - with all of its hyperventilating half-facts, speculation and innuendo.

Since you brought up George P - this is a perfect example. Neither you nor the media have ANY IDEA about how he was used, or if he was used, as a "proactive cooperator". There's plenty of speculation that the term "proactive cooperator" MUST mean that he wore a wire at Mueller's behest. And there's been plenty of speculation of how he MUST have been used when he wore the wire. And I suppose the fact that you brought him up at all means that you believe that he MUST be a "proactive cooperator" against the Trump campaign.

Of course, we know none of this. The media and you are apparently repeating your own speculation so much that you've come to believe that it MUST be true.

Get a grip, be patient, wait for the facts.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Oerets

No indictments, just a guilty plea waiting for sentencing for now wait.....acts of Collusion!

Barney

It was a plea DEAL, meaning that George P only agreed to it in return for something that Mueller wanted. I think it also may be significant - but we're not sure how - that the plea DEAL was only announced yesterday, but occurred much earlier this month.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

One word - speculation.

As for Podesta's resignation, yes it was reported on. But my point was that in the 45 minutes that we watched last night: no mention of it on-screen, no mention of it in the crawl on CNN. But plenty of shots, video and crawls with Manafort and George P.

As for what's really occurring, you have no idea what I believe or what I've admitted to myself. You simply drink up whatever the media spews out - with all of its hyperventilating half-facts, speculation and innuendo.

Since you brought up George P - this is a perfect example. Neither you nor the media have ANY IDEA about how he was used, or if he was used, as a "proactive cooperator". There's plenty of speculation that the term "proactive cooperator" MUST mean that he wore a wire at Mueller's behest. And there's been plenty of speculation of how he MUST have been used when he wore the wire. And I suppose the fact that you brought him up at all means that you believe that he MUST be a "proactive cooperator" against the Trump campaign.

Of course, we know none of this. The media and you are apparently repeating your own speculation so much that you've come to believe that it MUST be true.

Get a grip, be patient, wait for the facts.

There was a great deal of news yesterday that went beyond speculation. As for George P. being a "proactive co-operator," these are the very words Mueller used in Pop's plea agreement and subsequently accepted by a judge. Of course, nobody knows what form this "proactive cooperation" took (hell, nobody even heard of George P. until yesterday), but whatever form represents bad news for your Dear Leader and his lying minions.

Meanwhile, you castigate folks for commenting on the real news of the day while you've been actively and loyally spreading Trump's fake news for months, while repeating Limbaugh, Hannity and Trump misdirection efforts like a drunk parrot.

[whell]

Here's a great example of how the George P plea deal is being spun:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/o...ndictment.html

Third, a paragraph in the plea agreement indicates that Mr. Papadopoulos pleaded guilty on Oct. 5 and the plea was sealed so that he could act as a “proactive cooperator.” The meaning of that phrase is unclear. But one nerve-racking possible implication is that Mr. Papadopoulos has recently worn a wire in conversations with other former campaign officials. This will surely have members of Mr. Trump’s inner circle agonizing about the possibility and wondering who else might have been similarly cooperating with the investigation.

Maybe. But any one of a number of different scenarios that have nothing to do with the Trump campaign could also be just as true. That doesn't stop this gasbag NYT contributor, a lefty law prof and former Clinton appointed US Attorney, from painting that speculation as fact:

While Mr. Manafort and Mr. Gates are much bigger fish than Mr. Papadopoulos, his case may the more portentous one. He clearly has a wealth of information on the campaign and Mr. Trump’s inner circle. And much more important, he is already providing it.


But I'm sure that this'll give you chills and goosebumps when you read it.