Idiots on the march in Virginia

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

BS its different. Two different actions initiated in a response to a national security / terrorist threat. Both actions target the persona security / confidentiality protections of the respective technology companies. Both requests were initiated by the DoJ and its surrogate agency. Both requests have the potential to violate the confidentiality / privacy of millions or iPhone owners on one hand or internet users on the other.

You're dancing on the head of a pin.

BS. There are hundreds of actions taken by law enforcement on a daily basis in the interest of homeland security/terrorism. Some are good, some bad, some indifferent, just like the humans who undertook them. That does not make them all the same.

Again, I was against both DOJ requests, but for different reasons. They are not analogous, despite your desperate attempts at "whataboutism." It's gotten to the point that every action of Trump's that you have difficulty defending (and it seems you feel an obligation to defend everything Trump does), results in some lame "whataboutism." Whether you know it or not, it's a clear sign that you lost the argument before it even started.

[whell]

Originally Posted by barbara

Nobody should have had to write any words for Trump. It was a time for him to speak from his heart.... and he did just that. That his heart holds hate was the message he offered and the message heard.

There's no "hate" in Saturday's message, Barbara, unless you choose to put it there. You can certainly fault Trump for not being specific about the groups involved, instead saying "many sides".

The criticism that there weren't "sides" in Charlottesville is false. There absolutely were "sides" and folks on both "sides" in many cases made plans and traveled to get to Charlottesville, and came prepared for violence. All the sides should have been named, in my opinion. The neo-Nazi folks should have been called out by name right along with Antifa.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

BS. There are hundreds of actions taken by law enforcement on a daily basis in the interest of homeland security/terrorism. Some are good, some bad, some indifferent, just like the humans who undertook them. That does not make them all the same.

Again, I was against both DOJ requests, but for different reasons. They are not analogous, despite your desperate attempts at "whataboutism." It's gotten to the point that every action of Trump's that you have difficulty defending (and it seems you feel an obligation to defend everything Trump does), results in some lame "whataboutism." Whether you know it or not, it's a clear sign that you lost the argument before it even started.

"The debate is over", huh? You're pathetic.

[Pio1980]

Trump's Fuzzy History Of Denouncing White Nationalism http://n.pr/2uD7ykz

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

There's no "hate" in Saturday's message, Barbara, unless you choose to put it there.

This issue was that there was no condemnation of hate against the very groups that came to Charlottesville to provoke a reaction and that Trump himself has breathed new life into (and who serve on his White House staff). His "many sides" ad lib showed his desire to equivocate to give the neo-Nazis the ability to claim that they weren't criticized by Trump (this is exactly what happened on The Daily Stormer a couple of days ago and by Richard Spencer yesterday).

[barbara]

Originally Posted by whell

There's no "hate" in Saturday's message, Barbara, unless you choose to put it there. You can certainly fault Trump for not being specific about the groups involved, instead saying "many sides".

The criticism that there weren't "sides" in Charlottesville is false. There absolutely were "sides" and folks on both "sides" in many cases made plans and traveled to get to Charlottesville, and came prepared for violence. All the sides should have been named, in my opinion. The neo-Nazi folks should have been called out by name right along with Antifa.

Whell, one thing I learned while studying the English language is that words not said also carry a message.
He didn't say the words he needed to say to help heal the situation.
His omission of words were deliberate (I believe) and gave fuel to those who support his racist stance.
The fact that this is not the first time he expressed racism validates every concern a patriotic American should have regarding this president.

[finnbow]

Now, the neo-Nazis are planning a lawsuit in which they claim victimhood in Charlottesville.

ALEXANDRIA, Va. — Organizers of Saturday’s deadly white nationalist rally say they are planning to return to Charlottesville for a future rally and to file lawsuits against city and state authorities for allegedly failing to protect their gathering.

But first, they must cope with a psychic shock: feeling betrayed by government authorities they believed would always protect them. Before this weekend’s events, the alt-right had been a bastion of pro-police sentiment — especially when it came to police shootings of unarmed black victims and clashes with the Black Lives Matter movement. Now, the alt-right’s leaders are grappling with the realities of being identifiable members of an unpopular minority group in public.

“I have never felt like the government or police were against me,” said white nationalist leader Richard Spencer at a small news conference inside his home here on Monday afternoon. “There has never been a situation in my life when I’ve felt this way.”

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...victims-215489

Poor babies. I look forward to Whell's "whataboutism" in support of his persecuted kindred spirits in Charlottesville.

[finnbow]

In the wake of Trump's Charlottesville response debacle, the ever-classy Trump tries to shift blame to CNN. In doing so, he retweeted an image of the Trump train running over a CNN reporter only days after an innocent woman was run over by one of his supporters.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-cnn-reporter/

[Chicks]

All of which makes me wonder whose civil rights violations Trump's DoJ will actually be investigating. The current AG is a (former?) racist, after all.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Chicks

All of which makes me wonder whose civil rights violations Trump's DoJ will actually be investigating. The current AG is a (former?) racist, after all.

Indeed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b09096429943b6