Idiots on the march in Virginia

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

It IS an overreach, and its a good thing that Apple fought the FBI on their request for a crack, and IP addresses should also not be provided. I was simply wondering if the crack was wrong AND "fascist", from Chicks point of view. So far, looks like the crack request was just fine with the Chickster.

You're mixing apples and oranges in an effort to obfuscate your own moral bankruptcy. FWIW, your Dear Leader considers himself a master of this tactic.

[whell]

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Originally Posted by Oerets

The white supremacists went spoiling for a fight. Dressed with shields and goggles helmets mace guns.... The counter protesters fell for the baiting, fought back. Maybe now those who march for the alt right will be a little more afraid. I bet they put the hoods back on next time!
Take our country back BS?? How about give the country back?
Protesting for a statue of a traitor, brave maybe but still one who fought to overthrow and destroy our country. For what? The ability to subjugate, own another. That is the states right they were up in arms over.
Are there statues to the fallen Tories from the Revolution? The Mexican's who died in our expansion? Those I would agree with BTW, for they were fighting for an established country against and aggressor.

Barney

Part of the problem is that there was no monolithic belief in the institution of slavery in the South at that time, just like there was no monolithic support for abolition in the North. For example, the Corwin Amendment - though never adopted - was proposed by an Ohio Senator and ratified by three states. The Amendment was supposed to act as a lure for seceded states and border states by promising to protect slaveholders from federal interference. Its mere existence shows that there was support in the North for a level of "pragmatism" regarding slavery by some in the North in order to keep the Union intact.

Likewise, there were men who fought for the Confederacy that never owned slaves (the vast majority, in fact), who didn’t wish to, and who believed in the inherent equality of all men. In fact, Robert E Lee whose statute is at the center of the recent controversy recognized that slavery was "a moral & political evil in any Country". Lee was also not in favor of secession and the establishment of the Confederacy.

And, how times have changed in recent years. It was only about 40 years ago that Senator Byrd proposed and Gerald Ford signed Senate Joint Resolution 23, which "restores posthumously full rights of citizenship to General R. E. Lee, effective June 13, 1865."

Tearing down Civil War statues today, whether by gov't decree or by the actions of anarchists, seems to me an effort that is short-sited and misplaced.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You're mixing apples and oranges in an effort to obfuscate your own moral bankruptcy. FWIW, your Dear Leader considers himself a master of this tactic.

BS. You're failing to see who these actions are similar - compromising a company and its products in the name of national security - just because you want to draw an imaginary line of demarcation between the actions of two different administrations. Good luck with that.

[ZeroJunk]

Homer, Shakespeare, Steven King could not have written any words for Trump to say that would satisfy the Trump haters.



So, now we can cry racist , hater, bigot to everybody who voted for Trump.

And, of course the bussed in George Soros financed crowd is pure as the driven snow.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

BS. You're failing to see who these actions are similar - compromising a company and its products in the name of national security - just because you want to draw an imaginary line of demarcation between the actions of two different administrations. Good luck with that.

BS. Asking for the technical ability to review the contents of a known terrorist's phone is a different animal than asking the identities of over a million people who legally visited a website. Your concerns about the leaking of Apple's technology is an altogether different issue. I don't support either, but they are altogether different things and yet another attempt by you of "whataboutism."

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk

Homer, Shakespeare, Steven King could not have written any words for Trump to say that would satisfy the Trump haters.



So, now we can cry racist , hater, bigot to everybody who voted for Trump.

And, of course the bussed in George Soros financed crowd is pure as the driven snow.

How clever of you to have remembered all that from Limbaugh's show yesterday!

[barbara]

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk

Homer, Shakespeare, Steven King could not have written any words for Trump to say that would satisfy the Trump haters.


So, now we can cry racist , hater, bigot to everybody who voted for Trump.

And, of course the bussed in George Soros financed crowd is pure as the driven snow.

Nobody should have had to write any words for Trump. It was a time for him to speak from his heart.... and he did just that. That his heart holds hate was the message he offered and the message heard.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by barbara

Nobody should have had to write any words for Trump. It was a time for him to speak from his heart.... and he did just that. That his heart holds hate was the message he offered and the message heard.

Bingo.

[ZeroJunk]

Originally Posted by barbara

Nobody should have had to write any words for Trump. It was a time for him to speak from his heart.... and he did just that. That his heart holds hate was the message he offered and the message heard.

By who ? You ?

I didn't take it that way at all.

He condemned everybody there who was involved in the collapse of civil society. That includes those activists bussed in hoping for an altercation.

I will even give you that it is more the fault of the Nazi Klan types.

But, only an idiot would find no fault with the protestors.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

BS. Asking for the technical ability to review the contents of a known terrorist's phone is a different animal than asking the identities of over a million people who legally visited a website. Your concerns about the leaking of Apple's technology is an altogether different issue. I don't support either, but they are altogether different things and yet another attempt by you of "whataboutism."

BS its different. Two different actions initiated in a response to a national security / terrorist threat. Both actions target the persona security / confidentiality protections of the respective technology companies. Both requests were initiated by the DoJ and its surrogate agency. Both requests have the potential to violate the confidentiality / privacy of millions or iPhone owners on one hand or internet users on the other.

You're dancing on the head of a pin.