GOP's AHCA aka Trump-RyanCare

[barbara]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Not all that well.

Exactly right.

[68custom]

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk

How do you think it worked before Obamacare ?

the thing I don't get is what the people demanding the repeal of the ACA will do when they suffer from a traumatic health problem? maybe they will go to the ER and not worry about the bill?
Single payer is the best solution!

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk

How do you think it worked before Obamacare ?

So, you think it was all just hunky dory before the ACA, eh Zero?

Maybe it was for you but for the majority of us working stiffs it was shit.

[MrPots]

I recall 26% yearly premium increases on our group plan before ACA.

[ZeroJunk]

Originally Posted by bobabode

So, you think it was all just hunky dory before the ACA, eh Zero?

Maybe it was for you but for the majority of us working stiffs it was shit.

I think you can not find any study that will prove that outcomes are any better now than before ACA...

Bunch of anecdotal BS, the death party, people will die, blah blah.

My point is that if you were sick you got treated before ACA. You get treated after ACA.

If somebody that doesn't stand to gain one way or the other produces a study that shows a change in mortality rates, life expectancy, etc. I will continue to be skeptical that it accomplished much.

Or, if I see somebody having to fix their own broke leg or something because they don't have insurance I will change my opinion as well.

[whell]

Originally Posted by barbara

It's going to cost a whole lot more money when the uninsured show up in emergency rooms for basic primary care and hospitals cannot legally turn them away.

So we need a gigantic and costly new law to save us from the shortsightedness and inflexibility of another law?

[sheltiedave]

Actually, Zerojunk, if you had no insurance before ACA, you got diverted to a hospital that admitted indigents. With ACA coverage, you were just admitted.

Your failure to understand the modern medical care delivery system and the most basic access key is a common rubric to conservatives - a lack of concern compounded by a myopic distorted outlook and leavened by a denial of marketplace reality.

Any competent masters degreed informatics nurse would tell you to park your bullshit out of public view, away from where it will embarrass you. The very notion that having health insurance does not effect medical outcomes is one of the largest whoppers you have ever advanced.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by whell

So we need a gigantic and costly new law to save us from the shortsightedness and inflexibility of another law?

What we really need is the single payer system. It has been proven many times over that it costs less with better outcomes.

There simply is no way to dispute that when one understand the health care system and studies the facts.

The ACA was a step in that direction.

[icenine]

If I am not mistaken many disabled adults rely on Medicaid as do seniors (and their adult children) who are in nursing homes. Why should America gut that?

[ZeroJunk]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

Actually, Zerojunk, if you had no insurance before ACA, you got diverted to a hospital that admitted indigents. With ACA coverage, you were just admitted.

Your failure to understand the modern medical care delivery system and the most basic access key is a common rubric to conservatives - a lack of concern compounded by a myopic distorted outlook and leavened by a denial of marketplace reality.

Any competent masters degreed informatics nurse would tell you to park your bullshit out of public view, away from where it will embarrass you. The very notion that having health insurance does not effect medical outcomes is one of the largest whoppers you have ever advanced.

Not sure where you live, but that is absolutely not the way it is here and never has been.

Cone Health owns everything within in the surrounding area, and they by charter do not turn anybody down.

Matter of fact they don't even ask you about payment until whatever necessary service have been provided. I have been there twice in the last three months. I know.
It is on a big sign when you walk in the door and always has been.

That left wing BS that people were dying in the street before Obamacare is the largest whopper ever stuck on the American people.