It's Official, Russians Corrupted The Election

[Oerets]

Even if and independent review does happen and allegations proven as fact. The ardent supporter I know will gladly learn russian and blindly support the man.



Barney

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, secretly worked for a Russian billionaire to advance the interests of Russian President Vladimir Putin a decade ago and proposed an ambitious political strategy to undermine anti-Russian opposition across former Soviet republics, The Associated Press has learned. The work appears to contradict assertions by the Trump administration and Manafort himself that he never worked for Russian interests.

Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and the former Soviet republics to benefit the Putin government, even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush grew worse.

https://www.apnews.com/122ae0b584834...40c5a/Manafort

Someone needs to explain to me why any this is relevant, when the Intel community has repeatedly stated that there's no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

[donquixote99]

The 'intel community' sayings you reference simply indicate they had no evidence of collusion as they spoke. A bit different from saying they had proof in the negative of collusion, as you claim.

Manafort commanded huge payments for service heading a campaign of influence on behalf of Russia. If you can't see the relevance of that, well, just shows the limitations of your powers of insight.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Even if and independent review does happen and allegations proven as fact. The ardent supporter I know will gladly learn russian and blindly support the man.

Then perhaps he will have them drink the Kool-Aid. The parallels to Jim Jones and his followers are eerily similar here.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Someone needs to explain to me why any this is relevant, when the Intel community has repeatedly stated that there's no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

The "intel community" has said no such thing, Kellyanne. Just Monday, Comey, the guy behind the foreign intelligence investigation, said something quite different. Clapper and a few others may have said that there was no conclusive evidence as of January 20, but that's a very different state of play than what's going on today. You're the type of guy who could have smoke pouring from every window of his house and loudly proclaim "Fire, what fire?".

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Someone needs to explain to me why any this is relevant, when the Intel community has repeatedly stated that there's no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Here it is.

‘There’s a Smell of Treason in the Air’

I’m also told (not by a Democrat!) that there’s a persuasive piece of intelligence on ties between Russia and a member of the Trump team that isn’t yet public.

The most likely scenario for collusion seems fuzzier and less transactional than many Democrats anticipate. A bit of conjecture:

The Russians for years had influence over Donald Trump because of their investments with him, and he was by nature inclined to admire Vladimir Putin as a strongman ruler. Meanwhile, Trump had in his orbit a number of people with Moscow ties, including Paul Manafort, who practically bleeds borscht.

Why shouldn't there be an ongoing investigation if the picture this murky?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/o...ol-left-region

[nailer]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Comey's exact words:

“I’ve been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. That includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts.”

No direct mention of Trump though. Thanks for the confirmation.

Trump appears to be incompetent, doesn't appear to be a quick study and perceives America's best interest as being the same as his. Think I'll go and give him a kitty SmackDown.

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

The 'intel community' sayings you reference simply indicate they had no evidence of collusion as they spoke. A bit different from saying they had proof in the negative of collusion, as you claim.

Ummm....Huh?

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The "intel community" has said no such thing, Kellyanne. Just Monday, Comey, the guy behind the foreign intelligence investigation, said something quite different. Clapper and a few others may have said that there was no conclusive evidence as of January 20, but that's a very different state of play than what's going on today. You're the type of guy who could have smoke pouring from every window of his house and loudly proclaim "Fire, what fire?".

You're the type of guy that insists on burying your head in the sand. Clapper said on Meet the Press - March 5 - no evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycZj5-5KJwA

Watch for yourself. He was specifically asked "Does evidence currently exist?" To which Clapper replied "Not to my knowledge." And no evidence - zero, zip, nada, nothing - has surfaced since Clapper left. None. And wishing won't make it so.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

You're the type of guy that insists on burying your head in the sand. Clapper said on Meet the Press - March 5 - no evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycZj5-5KJwA

Watch for yourself. He was specifically asked "Does evidence currently exist?" To which Clapper replied "Not to my knowledge." And no evidence - zero, zip, nada, nothing - has surfaced since Clapper left. None. And wishing won't make it so.

Me burying my head in the sand??? I guess you don't do irony. A recap on your positions on the Russia issue over time - you first called any Russian involvement in the election fake news. Secondly, you called the intelligence community's finding that Russia favored Trump fake news (both claims now enjoy support by everyone but you and your Trumpenfuhrer). Now, you claim that no Trump minions were involved while at the same time, Sean Spicer is active throwing Manafort and Flynn under the bus. There's a strong likelihood that you'll be proven wrong once again. The FBI doesn't relish investigating a sitting President, but in Comey's own words, he's forced to so because of probable cause of crime or the involvement of foreign agents.

FWIW, Clapper clarified the other day that his statement meant that he had no conclusive evidence on the day he left office, January 20. He hasn't been in the loop since January 20. Comey statement Monday seems to indicate that further information is coming in since January 20.

We'll see, won't we? Your denials aren't going to help your Trumpenfuhrer. All they do is show your own gullibility and loyalty to him. Stay tuned and see whether John McCain is correct about more shoes dropping on this story. I'm betting there will be more news as opposed to an immediate throwing-in of the towel, notwithstanding Devin Nunes efforts to undermine the inquiry.