An amazing moment in history: Donald Trump's press conference

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Originally Posted by Rajoo

He can be anti establishment and win an election, but to govern no. Discrediting the intelligence services and the media only makes them work so much harder, and I doubt if he is really smart enough to figure this out.

Media is relentless and the intelligence services can be very sneaky. They are very good at leaking information through their past and present ranks.

I fully concur.

The thing about it is that Trump did indeed run to be President, but not for the purpose of governing or implementing a vision for America. He wanted to be President to wreck havoc on those establishment types who he perceives have been against him for the most of his life. I think he will remain anti establish and continue to sow mayhem and chaos. Much to the chagrin of the establishment and quite possibly to the detriment of the nation. He will not accept or recognize defeat, and he won't back down no matter how many are aligned against him.

Good thing you're a fatalistic optimist.

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I think he's pretty likeable myself.

I enjoy watching him speak.

He's authentic, he's real, he's unscripted, and he's funny.

I find him to be a refreshing change from the standard heavily scripted programed robots of today's political world.

Our perspectives differ and you obviously have a one way major bromance going on with him. I on the other hand am a row home Baltimoron and he's a rich NYC asshole which means I'm genetically incapable of liking him.

Picture this. You're going to get to hang with him at a fabulous restaurant and he pulls a Christie on you. Are you going to be the TJ I know and tell him to shove it up his ass and order what you want or are your balls going to disappear so you can continue to hang with him?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by nailer

I fully concur.

The thing about it is that Trump did indeed run to be President, but not for the purpose of governing or implementing a vision for America. He wanted to be President to wreck havoc on those establishment types who he perceives have been against him for the most of his life. I think he will remain anti establish and continue to sow mayhem and chaos. Much to the chagrin of the establishment and quite possibly to the detriment of the nation. He will not accept or recognize defeat, and he won't back down no matter how many are aligned against him.

Good thing you're a fatalistic optimist.

You are very right, it's all about Trump and not one tiny bit about America. But it's a love-hate relationship with the billionaire establishment. He really wants their acceptance and respect, and he'll do them favors all week if they deliver that--all week. Every day is a new day.

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Originally Posted by donquixote99

You are very right, it's all about Trump and not one tiny bit about America. But it's a love-hate relationship with the billionaire establishment. He really wants their acceptance and respect, and he'll do them favors all week if they deliver that--all week. Every day is a new day.

While billionaires are part of the establishment he hates, he is a part of the billionaire establishment. Self hate is also part of the equation. I'm a billionaire and I hate billionaires. However the mainstream press, the upper echelons of politics/government and academia are good examples of the primary parts of the establishment he hates. Of course, The Donald hates anyone he perceives as being against him. He's a me against the world guy.

[ZeroJunk]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

You are very right, it's all about Trump and not one tiny bit about America. But it's a love-hate relationship with the billionaire establishment. He really wants their acceptance and respect, and he'll do them favors all week if they deliver that--all week. Every day is a new day.

Whose America ?

Believe it or not there are people in America who are not transgender, Muslim or Latino immigrants, homosexual, black, or whatever group the Democrats tried to divide everybody in to.

Trump is for America. Not this or that special interest group.

The real sociopaths in this equation are the left wing goof balls in the press and on this forum who are in full fledged melt down.

Rather entertaining.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by nailer

I on the other hand am a row home Baltimoron

Did it have one of those marble front stoops or whatever you call them?

Those were way cool.

Originally Posted by nailer

Picture this. You're going to get to hang with him at a fabulous restaurant and he pulls a Christie on you. Are you going to be the TJ I know and tell him to shove it up his ass and order what you want or are your balls going to disappear so you can continue to hang with him?

I grew up poorer than you. I was the poorest white kid I knew. My single mom mother worked greasy spoons for nickel and dime tips. So no, I don't have anything in common with a dude like Trump.

As for the situation you described, today I would tell him to shove it up his ass. But that's because I'm retired and don't have to answer to anybody for my daily bread that comes in the form of my pension and social security check.

Back when I was employed I did a lot of compromising in order to maintain job security.

As for wanting to "hang" with Trump, whenever I take the Myers Briggs Test my score on introvert comes out 100%.

I don't go out of my way to "hang" with anybody.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by nailer

I fully concur.

The thing about it is that Trump did indeed run to be President, but not for the purpose of governing or implementing a vision for America. He wanted to be President to wreck havoc on those establishment types who he perceives have been against him for the most of his life. I think he will remain anti establish and continue to sow mayhem and chaos. Much to the chagrin of the establishment and quite possibly to the detriment of the nation. He will not accept or recognize defeat, and he won't back down no matter how many are aligned against him.

Good thing you're a fatalistic optimist.

The problem here is that Trump is the embodiment of the establishment. He is, in one person many many things bad about the establishment embodied in one spoiled very self entitled buffoon.

[HypnoToad]

This is my take on the whole thing, Trump has not started WW3, made the stock market crash, brought back slavery, rounded up people and put them in camps, transferred the money from the U.S. Treasury into his own accounts. These are all things that he has been accused of doing or will do.

If people had gone on about Obama that same way they are going on about Trump they would have been labeled racist.

He has been in office a few weeks and for the first time Union Leaders have been called to the Oval Office for a meeting on how to improve employment. He has spoken to major companies to try and keep them in the U.S.

Trump is a showman and once you get past all the hoopla, he does seem to have America's best interests at heart.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by HypnoToad

This is my take on the whole thing, Trump has not started WW3, made the stock market crash, brought back slavery, rounded up people and put them in camps, transferred the money from the U.S. Treasury into his own accounts. These are all things that he has been accused of doing or will do.

If people had gone on about Obama that same way they are going on about Trump they would have been labeled racist.

He has been in office a few weeks and for the first time Union Leaders have been called to the Oval Office for a meeting on how to improve employment. He has spoken to major companies to try and keep them in the U.S.

Trump is a showman and once you get past all the hoopla, he does seem to have America's best interests at heart.

Your first paragraph sets an interesting standard for success. If he hasn't done the most awful things anyone can think of, he's great?

WWIII is pretty worst-case, but not nearly as unthinkable as it ought to be.

I think an invasion of Iran is definitely planned. Nukes, again, will be the pretend reason. Up with oil prices will be the real reason. Call it the Exxon war.

If he follows through on vastly increasing deportation, of necessity, he will need camps. Humane camps. Camps with concentration.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I think an invasion of Iran is definitely planned. Nukes, again, will be the pretend reason. Up with oil prices will be the real reason. Call it the Exxon war.

If he follows through on vastly increasing deportation, of necessity, he will need camps. Humane camps. Camps with concentration.

Sure Don.

Whatever you say.