The Democrats need to stop denying and deflecting, and start apologizing and changing

[Tom Joad]

This woman has become one of my favorite political writers. And this anti-Hillarybot rant of hers puts into words exactly how I feel.

I am not going to name names but there are a number of posters here that fit this description to a T.

They know who they are.

All I am going to say is: "If the shoe fits, wear it.

http://www.newslogue.com/debate/105/Caitlin%20Johnstone

Month after month you people bullied, cajoled, gaslighted, guilted and manipulated us to try and make us fall in line with your historically awful candidate with the most infuriatingly entitled and condescending attitudes that I have ever encountered in any group dynamic in my life. First with our Bernie, and then with Jill Stein, so, so many of you acted like we were being petulant children (you often used that exact phrase) for having the audacity to think your candidate wasn't entitled to run unopposed against the Republicans.

I'm talking about real live people here. I lost friends over this. There are people who simply don't talk to me anymore because I wouldn't be bashed into conformity with brute force and shame. And I know many, many others just like me, who were treated in exactly the same way.

And those are just the few who had the stomach to state their feelings openly. Much like the Trump supporters in a recent LA Times article, the amount of bullying and vitriol that came at anyone who openly criticized Hillary Clinton in the leadup to the election made most people stay silent and keep their views a secret. Unless you lived in a solid red state with a very deep echo chamber, there was an immediate dogpile of hostility from liberals if you ever dared to suggest that Hillary might not actually be a less dangerous candidate than Trump.

Time after time after time, we came up against your rude, sanctimonious, dismissive condescension in a way that made us more determined than ever to make sure that your candidate lost, and when she did, we were glad. Not just because of who she is, but because of who you are.

This whole election cycle gave a lot of Berners a very, very negative view of the Democratic party, and that isn't going to change just because you're done trying to bully us into backing a candidate we despise and have moved on into bullying us into attacking Trump. The Democrats are going to have to change a whole lot to win our support back, and you're going to have to re-earn our trust if you want us to collaborate with you. We're not your personal army that you can turn loose on the next administration; a lot of us are still fully open to the possibility that Trump will end up being better than anything you've got to offer. Certainly his supporters have been a lot nicer to us than you.

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[68custom]

Like I said before I would have preferred Bernie, but to my mind only Cruz was a worse choice than Drumph.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by 68custom

Like I said before I would have preferred Bernie, but to my mind only Cruz was a worse choice than Drumph.

My first choice was Bernie.

My second choice was Trump.

I do agree that Cruz was the worst.

[nailer]

Cruz is one scary fuck.

[merrylander]

Tom what friggen planet is that woman from? I must confess that I did not witness a single event that she describes.

[donquixote99]

...there was an immediate dogpile of hostility from liberals if you ever dared to suggest that Hillary might not actually be a less dangerous candidate than Trump.

The hostility was due to the extreme Trump campaign activating extreme reactions from liberals, against people not seen as "suggesting" something, but as echoing outrageous GOP smears of Hillary.

This was felt to be betrayal when we were locked in desperate battle against a deadly enemy.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

The hostility was due to the extreme Trump campaign activating extreme reactions from liberals, against people not seen as "suggesting" something, but as echoing outrageous GOP smears of Hillary.

This was felt to be betrayal when we were locked in desperate battle against a deadly enemy.

The they made us do it defense.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

The hostility was due to the extreme Trump campaign activating extreme reactions from liberals, against people not seen as "suggesting" something, but as echoing outrageous GOP smears of Hillary.

This was felt to be betrayal when we were locked in desperate battle against a deadly enemy.

Sorry no, all this came Democrats who were in lockstep with H--> and the corrupt Democratic party, and this is from personal experience with family and friends. Of course, I was the only only it seems opposed to a H--> candidacy.

Mention Bernie, 'he is a commie who cannot get elected". Guess who lost?
Or how about H--> is the worst candidate the Dem's could have picked? Answer, Trump is worse. Guess who won?

And most of all, Berniac is OK but Hillarybot is bad???

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by nailer

The they made us do it defense.

The reaching out for understanding.