The Neoliberal Echo Chamber

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

And much less legitimate. Public speaking vs hacking?

It's them damned Rooskies!

http://observer.com/2016/11/liberals...ian-espionage/

......... since their defeat on November 8 liberals have been looking for scapegoats to explain how Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump—an unexpected outcome that many on the left seem literally unable to process and accept. First, Hillary and her minions blamed the FBI and its director, James Comey, for allegedly throwing the election to Trump by announcing that the Bureau was reopening its investigation of EmailGate—then pulling back.

When blaming the FBI proved insufficient to explain away Hillary’s defeat, her allies in the mainstream media turned their spotlight on an alleged plague of “fake news” that supposedly transformed millions of low-information citizens into Trump’s dupes. While there undeniably is a problem here—as in the age of the Internet wholly false, indeed absurd stories can gain traction for a time before they are debunked—this problem is hardly present on the right-wing only. Not to mention that more than a few MSM mavens are willing to term as “false” certain stories which they merely don’t like and don’t want to talk about.

This brings us to the Russians, the ultimate election bogeyman. Since it’s a fact that Putin and his covert operatives interfered with our election in a propaganda sense (anybody acquainted with Russian spycraft knows the proper term here: Active Measures), bitter-ender liberals have now decided that Kremlin hacking threw the election to Trump. The president-elect is therefore illegitimate and, presumably, Hillary can now move into the Oval Office which the left considers rightfully hers.

While there’s no doubt that Russian intelligence is capable of hacking into at least some election systems, the highly fragmented nature of how America elects its presidents would make cyber-interference in the process very complicated—and none too difficult to detect. This hasn’t stopped Hillary’s fans from stating it could be done, without evidence.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Agreed except for this election cycle, the Republican Party was run over Trump and his 'Deplorables' and won. The Democrats OTOH ignored the warnings and ostracized anyone that would not kneel at the altar of Hillay, had to cheat to get her nominated, so they stayed home.

And your term Hillary hobby-horse proves my point.

If you're saying the Trump movement wasn't utterly closed to all crticism, I can't agree at all.

So, a relatively mild 'Hillary hobby horse' is unacceptable discourse? While 'cesspool' and everything else from you is fine?

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Explain.

We are throwing stones after we hacked Frau Merkel's phone.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

If you're saying the Trump movement wasn't utterly closed to all crticism, I can't agree at all.

So, a relatively mild 'Hillary hobby horse' is unacceptable discourse? While 'cesspool' and everything else from you is fine?

The Trump movement was vicious to their detractors and closed to all criticism. Heck, Trump did not even sport a resume to lead the country. What this election has shown that both parties are rotten to the core and only interested in protecting and promoting their elites.

As for the hobby-horse comment, further proof as to how any criticism of H--> or the DNC is countered. The real challenge is to learn from this wholesale clusterfuck and instead what do we get? Non-stop Trump bashing instead of looking at how to reinvent the Democratic Party. And with Pelosi and Schumer once again leading, expect another colossal disaster in 2018.

These two are real thugs within the Democratic Party and not to be trusted, ever.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

It's them damned Rooskies!

http://observer.com/2016/11/liberals...ian-espionage/

Why don't you, a self-proclaimed commie, follow yer boy, Steven Seagal, over to Moscow. Putin, like Trump, loves people willing to suck-up to authoritarians?

MOSCOW — In an ending fit for Hollywood, Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday presented American action star Steven Seagal with a freshly minted Russian passport, consummating an odd-couple bromance that has blossomed despite years of dark relations between the two men's respective countries.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...sian-passport/

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

The Trump movement was vicious to their detractors and closed to all criticism. Heck, Trump did not even sport a resume to lead the country. What this election has shown that both parties are rotten to the core and only interested in protecting and promoting their elites.

As for the hobby-horse comment, further proof as to how any criticism of H--> or the DNC is countered. The real challenge is to learn from this wholesale clusterfuck and instead what do we get? Non-stop Trump bashing instead of looking at how to reinvent the Democratic Party. And with Pelosi and Schumer once again leading, expect another colossal disaster in 2018.

These two are real thugs within the Democratic Party and not to be trusted, ever.

Further proof of your paranoia. I have no problem with reasonable criticism of the Democrats, and I don't work for them as an enforcer. Actually, I agree with most of what you say this time, except for the 1st sentence, 2nd paragraph.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

We are throwing stones after we hacked Frau Merkel's phone.

Not a good thing, of course, but it doesn't make public speaking equal to hacking.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Further proof of your paranoia. I have no problem with reasonable criticism of the Democrats, and I don't work for them as an enforcer. Actually, I agree with most of what you say this time, except for the 1st sentence, 2nd paragraph.

Yet another misguided comment. I was convinced from the beginning that Hillary was an unqualified candidate, never did expect Trump to win the nomination and let alone get elected. I did put down everyone every comment lauding Hillary as the best candidate. Is that paranoia?

Now we have Trump as POTUS for four years. I believe in learning from experience (mistakes) and moving on, which is what I have done in my career. Bitching and moaning makes one look small minded and incompetent. The Democratic Party of today is incompetent. About time we realize this is no longer about Bernie the Commie or Hillary the Disaster.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Why don't you, a self-proclaimed commie, follow yer boy, Steven Seagal, over to Moscow.

Why don't you come on down to Mobile Alabama and try and make me?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Yet another misguided comment. I was convinced from the beginning that Hillary was an unqualified candidate, never did expect Trump to win the nomination and let alone get elected. I did put down everyone every comment lauding Hillary as the best candidate. Is that paranoia?

No, that would be the hobby-horse.

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Now we have Trump as POTUS for four years. I believe in learning from experience (mistakes) and moving on, which is what I have done in my career. Bitching and moaning makes one look small minded and incompetent. The Democratic Party of today is incompetent. About time we realize this is no longer about Bernie the Commie or Hillary the Disaster.

So stop bitching and moaning about Hillary, and the fact that the 'everyone' you put down didn't like it.*


* this reaction to personal put-downs is a more likely explanation for that static you've collected than your theory that the Hillary bots are programmed to do it, or something.