UN Report: US Owes Black People Reparations for a History of "Racial Terrorism" - Page 6

donquixote99 · #51 09-30-2016, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nailer

I've nothing to defend. Certainly not slavery and oppression.

You feel some guilt is being thrown at you, don't you? You're defending against that, no?

nailer · #52 10-01-2016, 08:41 AM

Guilt is indeed a load put upon one by others. I stopped playing the shame/blame/guilt/should game long ago.

Boreas · #53 10-01-2016, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer

Guilt is indeed a load put upon one by others. I stopped playing the shame/blame/guilt/should game long ago.

What about present actions/inactions? What have you done lately/ever to combat the racial injustice we see around us every day? Have you ever even participated in a protest?

donquixote99 · #54 10-01-2016, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer

Guilt is indeed a load put upon one by others. I stopped playing the shame/blame/guilt/should game long ago.

Guilt is the feeling that you did something you consider wrong. Shame is the feeling that others think you did something and regard you badly for it. If you feel these things they are yours. If you don't they aren't.

And what I'm talking about here is more an intellectual/empathic decision to to take on some responsibility, regardless of how blameless-in-fact you consider yourself.

A question though: have there been any occasions in your life when others dissed blacks in your presence, and you did nothing?

nailer · #55 10-01-2016, 09:59 AM

Please be more specific with your question DQ. Answering it yourself may be of some assistance.

And what you're talking about here isn't about my response to MrPots post.

And I find your definitions lacking. Try these: https://www.google.com/#q=guilt+definition and https://www.google.com/#q=shame+definition.

nailer · #56 10-01-2016, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas

What about present actions/inactions? What have you done lately/ever to combat the racial injustice we see around us every day? Have you ever even participated in a protest?

Good guilt trip questions.

I do my best to treat those I know and meet for who they are knowing that individual humans don't have all that much say in who they are.

Boreas · #57 10-01-2016, 10:17 AM

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Edmund Burke is thought to have said this but he definitely said the following:

"There is, however, a limit at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue."

Parenthetically, he also said this:

"People crushed by law, have no hopes but from power. If laws are their enemies, they will be enemies to laws; and those who have much to hope and nothing to lose, will always be dangerous."

donquixote99 · #58 10-01-2016, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer

Please be more specific with your question DQ. Answering it yourself may be of some assistance.

And what you're talking about here isn't about my response to MrPots post.

And I find your definitions lacking. Try these: https://www.google.com/#q=guilt+definition and https://www.google.com/#q=shame+definition.

I'm not really interested in word games. Sometimes it's right to resist emotional reactions prompted by others, and sometimes it isn't. Answer the question for yourself, to yourself. No need to post anything more. My goal was just to communicate a point of view in hopefully an accessible way, not to publicly accuse you, or prompt some sort of public confession, or anything like that.

donquixote99 · #59 10-01-2016, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Edmund Burke is thought to have said this but he definitely said the following:

"There is, however, a limit at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue."

Parenthetically, he also said this:

"People crushed by law, have no hopes but from power. If laws are their enemies, they will be enemies to laws; and those who have much to hope and nothing to lose, will always be dangerous."

Burke is generally rewarding, when one looks into his thought.

JCricket · #60 10-01-2016, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99

Guilt is the feeling that you did something you consider wrong. Shame is the feeling that others think you did something and regard you badly for it. If you feel these things they are yours. If you don't they aren't.

And what I'm talking about here is more an intellectual/empathic decision to to take on some responsibility, regardless of how blameless-in-fact you consider yourself.

A question though: have there been any occasions in your life when others dissed blacks in your presence, and you did nothing?

A good question. One that makes you stop and think, and shows the subtlety of how deep racism and be. For me, with the exception of my step father in-law, I can't remember having to deal with it. And no, I don't say anything to him as it would be futile and even likely a bit dangerous.

That lack of exposure to racism is very fortunate for me, and pretty rare. Either that, or I have blinders on and I am racist at a level I can't even see. I think the former however.