Baltimore County Police Fatally Shoot 23yo Woman

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I seriously doubt the cop that shot her waited for her to point the gun at him. Who puts themselves at that kind of risk to serve a bench warrant? It's not like they had Hannibal Lecter cornered in that apartment.

I'm going to go out on a limb and make another prediction. There will be, for whatever reason, no body camera or other video evidence of this shooting. We will be expected to buy the cops story about the gun being pointed at him based on his word as "an officer and a gentleman"

They're already laying the groundwork for that. They've put it out that the county only recently began issuing body cameras and that not all officers have one yet.

Authorities said they did not yet know whether any of the officers involved in the shooting were wearing body cameras. The Police Department began phasing in its body camera program last month, but only some officers have received the devices.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...801-story.html

[EDIT]

As for whether police secured their own footage of the standoff, Johnson said no officer involved in the direct conflict was wearing a body camera. Asked later if police contemplated bringing body cameras to the scene during the hours-long standoff, Armacost said she would have to check and get back to reporters.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/us/bal...led/index.html

I have a theory. The first shot fired by the police was the one which struck the child and it was seeing her little boy shot that made Gaines return fire.

[finnbow]

I don't get all the hand-wringing over this. Her companion, also with child, turned himself over without incident and walked away safe. She aimed a shotgun at the cops and didn't walk away safe. End of story as far as I'm concerned.

[donquixote99]

You're a great one for declaring 'end of story' when the cops are concerned, and that despite there being so much unknown at this point. We don't even know the cop's story at that point. But you don't need even that.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

You're a great one for declaring 'end of story' when the cops are concerned, and that despite there being so much unknown at this point. We don't even know the cop's story at that point. But you don't need even that.

Sorry, but I'm having trouble wrassling up a bunch of faux sympathy and outrage over, much less interest in, this event.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

It should have never gotten to that point.

The fact that it did is on the Police.

I swear you people are no better than the ones that wrote those internet comments that Boreas linked to. You're essentially displaying the same mentality, you are just using more PC terminology.

It wouldn't have gotten to that point if she had cooperated. The other person involved did cooperate and he is still alive.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by barbara

It wouldn't have gotten to that point if she had cooperated. The other person involved did cooperate and he is still alive.

He fled and later turned himself in.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by Boreas

He fled and later turned himself in.

Didn't realize that. Thanks for the correction.

That fact still does not negate the fact that she threatened to kill the police and they negotiated with her for several hours.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Sorry, but I'm having trouble wrassling up a bunch of faux sympathy and outrage over, much less interest in, this event.

Who asked you for sympathy and outrage? Do you consider my position so far to be one of "faux sympathy and outrage?"

But just consider the matter as an abstract, intellectual puzzle. First, let's ask about the police's duty of care. I say they had a duty to take extraordinary care to protect the life of the innocent child.

Would you agree?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

But just consider the matter as an abstract, intellectual puzzle. First, let's ask about the police's duty of care. I say they had a duty to take extraordinary care to protect the life of the innocent child.

Would you agree?

If she were unarmed, yes. Being armed and threatening is another matter. The mother is responsible for being the protector of the child. She failed herself and the child.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by barbara

It wouldn't have gotten to that point if she had cooperated. The other person involved did cooperate and he is still alive.

First they came for the black people. And I didn't speak out, because I wasn't black.