Russia Expert Stephen Cohen: Trump Wants To Stop The New Cold War

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Boreas

How much help was Russia in defeating Germany? We could certainly use their help fighting ISIS.

Russia fought because they were invaded period! If they were a real partner they would of helped out in the Pacific sooner.

With ISIS Russia's objective and ours are different once defeated. We want Assad gone they do not.

Russia is wanting to divide and conquer the west. Weaken NATO then do a move similar to Ukraine and Crimea somewhere new. Like Poland or Baltic States.

Barney

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Calling those Baltic countries 'member states' seems to be a stretch. They approached NATO and voted to join after regaining their freedom from the Imperialistic Russkies.

They are members Bob, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. And the "Real NATO" countries are now able to permanently position troops and materiel in those "Fake NATO" countries, right on Russia's border.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-anaconda-2016

http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...ment/85821816/

[bobabode]

A vote for Trump is a vote for Putin. The choices couldn't be clearer in this election.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Boreas

They are members Bob, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. And the "Real NATO" countries are now able to permanently position troops and materiel in those "Fake NATO" countries, right on Russia's border.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-anaconda-2016

http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...ment/85821816/

They were members of the Soviet Union at gunpoint. They were invaded and occupied. Are you being willfully obtuse?

[bobabode]

I'm sure the people of those Baltic countries would take issue with being called "fake".

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by bobabode

A vote for Trump is a vote for Putin. The choices couldn't be clearer in this election.

Fear mongering again?

If Hillary becomes President, she will be led by the nose by the Republican congress. If Trump becomes President, he will be led further by the GOP Congress.

So the real focus should be on the makeup of Congress and not just the presidency. And as long as the Democratic Party is centered on Hillary, the Congress will remain in GOP hands.

Alienating the other half of the Democratic Party and the independents will ensure that GOP runs the House and the Senate for the foreseeable future.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Russia fought because they were invaded period! If they were a real partner the would of helped out in the Pacific sooner.

With ISIS Russia's objective and ours are different once defeated. We want Assad gone they do not.

Russia is wanting to divide and conquer the west. Weaken NATO then do a move similar to Ukraine and Crimea somewhere new. Like Poland or Baltic States.

Barney

They had just lost, what, 20 million people? And the bulk of their army was in European Russia or eastern Europe. The strategic position was far different from our own since we had been in the Pacfic Theater for almost 4 years. Still they were able to mount an invasion of Manchuria in early August of 1945.

Both Russia and the US now favor letting the Syrian people decide Assad's fate after the terrorist threat is dealt with. Both recognize that his removal prior to the defeat of ISIS and al Nusra would create a power vacuum which ISIS and al Nusra would quickly occupy. The Syrian army would fracture with some carrying on and some joining the insurgency.

It ie we who are trying to weaken Russia. Russia's actions of late have been in reaction to that reality. The annexing of Crimea and the support for the resistance in the Donbass are a predictable response to Western sponsorship of the coup which removed Yanukovych and installed a right wing regime.

Crimea, of course is where the Russian Black Sea Fleet is based and is of extreme importance to Russia, both strategically and historically. It's also important to recall that Crimea was Khrushchev's gift to the land of his birth, illegally, I might add. From 1783, when Russia annexed it from the Ottoman Empire, until 1954, it was a Russian Oblast (province). The Donbass is intended a rather half-assed buffer between Russia and NATO since they've lust the rest of Ukraine.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Russia fought because they were invaded period! If they were a real partner the would of helped out in the Pacific sooner.

With ISIS Russia's objective and ours are different once defeated. We want Assad gone they do not.

Russia is wanting to divide and conquer the west. Weaken NATO then do a move similar to Ukraine and Crimea somewhere new. Like Poland or Baltic States.

Barney

The Germans were at the gates of Moscow. Only when the Russians were assured by their spy in Tokyo, Richard Sorge, that the Japanese were not going to attack, then they were able to transfer men and materiel from the East to face the Germans.
It would have been foolish for the Russians to initiate a two front war when the Germans had them on the ropes for such a long time.

We want Assad gone like we wanted Gaddafi gone.

How many bases Russia has in the west?

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Fear mongering again?

If Hillary becomes President, she will be led by the nose by the Republican congress. If Trump becomes President, he will be led further by the GOP Congress.

So the real focus should be on the makeup of Congress and not just the presidency. And as long as the Democratic Party is centered on Hillary, the Congress will remain in GOP hands.

Alienating the other half of the Democratic Party and the independents will ensure that GOP runs the House and the Senate for the foreseeable future.

If you don't fear a Trump presidency, there's something seriously wrong with you and no, Trump won't bring about some soshulist revolution in 2020 if elected this November as TJ maintains.

[Rajoo]

Why should I "fear" a Trump presidency? If it is the will of the people, it will be so.
Somehow I do not see Hillary as our savior, she will have a hard enough time beating Trump and will find it impossible to deal with a GOP Congress simply because they do not or will not respect her. Sure it will look like Obama's 3rd term, probably worse. And again, if that's what the people want , they will get it. Either way it's a losing proposition for all.