Putin vs Hillary - The email leaks

[Pio1980]

What this immature narcissistic manchild wants is his name on the desk in the Oval Office, and possibly the opportunity to cash in on whatever lucrative opportunity presents.
He will be fine with Pence doing the political heavy lifting, he's just not interested in that stuff if it doesn't financially pay him to be so or feed his narcissism.


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[Pio1980]

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...an-ties-214116

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[MrPots]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Amen to that.

+1

The really sad part about the whole thing is, I might have voted for Hillary, I really have nothing seriously against her other than the "dynasty" bulllshit, and I most certainly don't want Trump in office, but I've been treated with such nasty derision and contempt by other democrats because I didn't automatically jump on the Hillary bandwagon that I simply will not vote for any democrat now. They have become the big assholes that the republicans have been for decades as far as I'm concerned.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by MrPots

The really sad part about the whole thing is, I might have voted for Hillary, I really have nothing seriously against her other than the "dynasty" bulllshit, and I most certainly don't want Trump in office, but I've been treated with such nasty derision and contempt by other democrats because I didn't automatically jump on the Hillary bandwagon that I simply will not vote for any democrat now. They have become the big assholes that the republicans have been for decades as far as I'm concerned.

Both parties have now managed to completely alienate the moderate (non-brainwashed) voter. Wonder what the turnout will be since a significant portion of the electorate are voting against their opposing candidate rather than for their candidate. I suspect that the independents will find a reason to stay home.

[Oerets]

What candidate, name one who's views were ever close to a majority of yours or the electorate? They all are a choice made of the overall act of balancing the agreeing V disagreeing. Deciding if the agreeing outweighs the disagreements.

On the trustworthiness of a candidate, not many with thirty some years in the game would survive scrutiny unscathed. Also true with any businessman. The overall accomplishments are the better measure of future expectations.

So for me, I see any vote NOT for HRC is a vote FOR Trump! So she has mine, not my first choice but last.



Barney

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Trump is no moron.

Trump's march to the nomination through his 16 opponents was like Sherman's march through Georgia. The Dude is good at what he does. If the Republicans think that Pence is going to be to Trump like Cheney was to Bush, they are going to be sadly dissappointed. If Pence tries that shit with Trump he'll wind up working at a K-mart Desk in the basement under a bare 25 Watt lightbulb.

Winning the hearts and minds of Fox News and talk radio listeners is different than winning the hearts and minds of America at large.

[nailer]

This election isn't about winning hearts and minds. If Hillary keeps her cool the independents will vote for her as the least unlikable choice.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by Oerets

What candidate, name one who's views were ever close to a majority of yours or the electorate? They all are a choice made of the overall act of balancing the agreeing V disagreeing. Deciding if the agreeing outweighs the disagreements.

On the trustworthiness of a candidate, not many with thirty some years in the game would survive scrutiny unscathed. Also true with any businessman. The overall accomplishments are the better measure of future expectations.

So for me, I see any vote NOT for HRC is a vote FOR Trump! So she has mine, not my first choice but last.



Barney

OK, I'll repeat this again, I don't have a problem with Hillary, her speech hit all the right chords with me. It's the party I cannot support. The party does not represent me. They've made it clear that I am NOT a part of their party.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Both parties have now managed to completely alienate the moderate (non-brainwashed) voter. Wonder what the turnout will be since a significant portion of the electorate are voting against their opposing candidate rather than for their candidate. I suspect that the independents will find a reason to stay home.

This one certainly will. In fact I'm probably off politics for life.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by MrPots

OK, I'll repeat this again, I don't have a problem with Hillary, her speech hit all the right chords with me. It's the party I cannot support. The party does not represent me. They've made it clear that I am NOT a part of their party.

If the party has "left you", leave the party. Become an independent and vote for the best available candidate. That's where I am. My days as a registered Democrat are over as of 11/8/2016. And I'm going to vote for Clinton.

Don't let spite dictate your vote.