Polls - Clinton Fading

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Boreas

He consistently polled better against Trump than Clinton has. If the objective was to defeat Trump, Bernie was the logical candidate. But since the objective was to maintain the corporate stranglehold on America and since Bernie sought to end the power of the oligarchs, he had to go. And since both Clinton and Trump can be relied upon to protect the interests of the oligarchs, they've engineered the election to the point where their interests will be protected no matter who wins.

I know this argument is an article of faith amongst our lefty-er than thou democrats but Sen. Sanders was never subjected the full court press of the media and the frightwing moles embedded within them. Bernie has never had to 'splain what he meant when he opined that lack of sex caused cancer in women and other various papers he wrote for the alt-left press back in the '70s. He also never released his taxes other than one year's barebones cover page, as is customary for presidential candidates and which he and his wife publically promised to do.

It requires some fairly magical thinking to believe that his poll numbers wouldn't have taken a nose dive if he won the nomination and the press started digging into the somewhat salacious tidbits in his history.

However, Bernie did the stand up thing yesterday during the rollcall votes. He proved he is mensch par excellance as far as I'm concerned when he moved for a suspension of the rules and threw all of his delegates to our nominee.

Like it or not, most voters aren't ready for one of us old tie dyed hippie freaks from the Age of Aquarius to be the commander in chief.

Suck is life.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Trump got a predictable 5-6 point bounce from his convention. Hillary will likely also do so. The next meaningful poll will be one a couple weeks after the DNC when the smoke clears and her bump settles.

The way I read it, Trump's numbers went from an RCP average -2.8% before the convention to an RCP average of +1.1% after, a total swing of 3.9%. This, in my opinion, is despite the convention, not because of it. That was as unbounceworthy a convention as we've had since 1968. I think Trump got bupkis out of his convention. His increase is organic and will persist.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by bobabode

I know this argument is an article of faith amongst our lefty-er than thou democrats but Sen. Sanders was never subjected the full court press of the media and the frightwing moles embedded within them. Bernie has never had to 'splain what he meant when he opined that lack of sex caused cancer in women and other various papers he wrote for the alt-left press back in the '70s. He also never released his taxes other than one year's barebones cover page, as is customary for presidential candidates and which he and his wife publically promised to do.

It requires some fairly magical thinking to believe that his poll numbers wouldn't have taken a nose dive if he won the nomination and the press started digging into the somewhat salacious tidbits in his history.

However, Bernie did the stand up thing yesterday during the rollcall votes. He proved he is mensch par excellance as far as I'm concerned when he moved for a suspension of the rules and threw all of his delegates to our nominee.

Like it or not, most voters aren't ready for one of us old tie dyed hippie freaks from the Age of Aquarius to be the commander in chief.

Suck is life.

Thnx for this, the long form explanation of why I and probably the DNC didn't think him electable.

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[Boreas]

Originally Posted by bobabode

I know this argument is an article of faith amongst our lefty-er than thou democrats but Sen. Sanders was never subjected the full court press of the media and the frightwing moles embedded within them.

They didn't have to. The DNC did it for them.

The rest of your post is pure unadulterated guessing, but the fact is we'll never know. On the other hand, Clinton's failure will be well documented.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Look, ice, if you have a counter-argument to my post, then present it and then we can debate it. All you've been doing for months here is sniping at and insulting anyone you disagree with. It makes you look really bad, Proust notwithstanding.

You have to admit there's been quite a bit a sand tossed by both sides in this hard fought primary season, myself included.

The difference between the right and the left is we tend to bury the hatchet and move on.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Boreas

They didn't have to. The DNC did it for them.

The rest of your post is pure unadulterated guessing, but the fact is we'll never know. On the other hand, Clinton's failure will be well documented.

Pure unadulterated horseshit, John.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by bobabode

You have to admit there's been quite a bit a sand tossed by both sides in this hard fought primary season, myself included.

The difference between the right and the left is we tend to bury the hatchet and move on.

I'm never gonna forgive you guys! TJ and I are forming a club.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Boreas

I'm never gonna forgive you guys! TJ and I are forming a club.

Did you catch the California contingent of the BoB's bellowing "Goldman Sachs" at Sen. Warren yesterday? I swear I saw that old goat, TJ leading the charge in the middle of it.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by icenine

I am the only one that has been doing this?

I am mystified while the millions of voters in New York, Ohio, California, the South, Virginia, Massachusetts, etc could not see the truth where you did.

I have much more faith in the American voter than you do.

Let me flip the question, why did Hillary lose to Bernie in so many states? After all the primaries were rigged every which way and you guys needed the Russians to tell you that.

No wonder that Debbie 'whatshername' Schultz got fired, not for getting caught but she did such a porotten job of fixing the primaries. Hillary should have been near unanimous or better yet unopposed (which was the plan all along).

If Hillary does lose the general election, I will hold the Democratic Party and the crooks within it responsible.

[Dondilion]

Clinton's problem now is the vociferous, media savvy, street wise, non forgiving Bernie supports. They are ubiquitous.

They keeping remind people that Clinton and her people are inherently corrupt.

The last thing I heard on the radio is that law suits are going to be filed against the DNC and DWS.

These people it seems are determined to make the anti Clinton noise as loud as possible.

That Clinton cannot put away Trump (with his large negatives) is ominous.