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Old 07-23-2016, 10:32 AM
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The Kaine Mutiny?

Sounds like the selection of Kaine isn't sitting well with the left side of the Dem party:

"Kaine, for those purposes, is something of a gamble.

The moderate Democrat has backed abortion restrictions; supported fast-track authority for a controversial Pacific Rim trade deal; and just last week joined a push to deregulate some of the nation’s largest banks — all positions that are anathema to the liberals being wooed by the Clinton team heading into November.


http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...ce-liberal-ire

Even before Sen. Timothy M. Kaine (D-Va.) was unveiled Friday as Hillary Clinton’s running mate, liberal groups were teed up to criticize the pick.

But several organizations, including some with ties to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), the runner-up in the Democratic primaries, sharply questioned Kaine’s liberal bona fides, pointing to Kaine’s support of trade deals and regulations favorable to big banks.

Stephanie Taylor, the co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, worried that Kaine’s support of a pending trade deal known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership could allow Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump to “outflank” Clinton on trade.

On Friday, Norman Solomon, the coordinator of a group billing itself as the Bernie Delegates Network, called Kaine “a loyal servant of oligarchy.”

“If Clinton has reached out to Bernie supporters, it appears that she has done so to stick triangulating thumbs in their eyes,” said Solomon, whose organization claims to represent hundreds of Sanders delegates attending the convention in Philadelphia but is not coordinating with the campaign.

The group has threatened to protest during the Democratic convention with Kaine on the ticket.

Winnie Wong, an Occupy Wall Street veteran who founded the group People for Bernie, was also underwhelmed with Kaine’s pick, calling it “unsurprising and predictable.”

“It shows a woeful disregard to the progressives who fought so hard this year to create conditions for transformational change this country desperately needs,” Wong said. “Team Clinton did the math on this horse race and they are betting on Tim Kaine to court those white male moderate/Indy voters who won’t vote for her. I doubt they can be moved.”


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Old 07-23-2016, 10:42 AM
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I'm looking forward to Strawberrygate.

The Democratic left is in the bag. Kaine's selection is to attract all those fence sitting independents and the Trump hating Republicans, especially the remaining moderates.
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Old 07-23-2016, 10:56 AM
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Hillary clearly believes she can win without Bernie's supporters or that Trump is so frightening that Bernie's supporters will vote against their conscience. I hope so.

Meanwhile, if Hillary should win and if, as anticipated, TPP will come up for a vote during the Lame Duck session, how would VP elect Kaine vote?
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Old 07-23-2016, 10:58 AM
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I'm looking forward to Strawberrygate.

The Democratic left is in the bag. Kaine's selection is to attract all those fence sitting independents and the Trump hating Republicans, especially the remaining moderates.
A desire to continually triangulate requires that a person lack any firm principles of convictions. Such little niceties must become fungible commodities.

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Old 07-23-2016, 11:02 AM
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So she picked Kaine to go after Republicans? Maybe she should have gone all the way and picked Kasich for a real 'national unity' ticket. Very dramatic, would have made history...if she could have gotten the convention to go along....

That actually might have been a winner.

But I can't deny that Virginia is a swing state.
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Old 07-23-2016, 11:05 AM
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Sounds good to me.
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Old 07-23-2016, 11:22 AM
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Sounds good to me.
So, those must be your litmus test? Not trade, not banking reforms, not coal? Hillary just sold out the base for Republican support. I had chanced my mind after the RNC Convention and was going to vote for her. Now I don't know.
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I think it was a pretty smart move. Although I was hoping for a Latino choice I can understand why she picked Kaine.

Most Americans probably don't even know what TTP is and the idea that issue is going to cause millions of Americans to drop their common sense and vote for Trump does not seem to be valid to me. We have a world economy that we have to integrate into not away from. Trying to go back to a pre-NAFTA America is like un-installing Windows 10 and replacing it with Windows 95. Plus the information revolution probably had has much to do with creating the world economy than the trade agreements.
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Old 07-23-2016, 11:42 AM
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I'm looking forward to Strawberrygate.

The Democratic left is in the bag. Kaine's selection is to attract all those fence sitting independents and the Trump hating Republicans, especially the remaining moderates.
Attract voters with someone that most folks outside VA have never heard of?
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Old 07-23-2016, 11:47 AM
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Not anymore and he is certain to become well know over the next three months.
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