Always starts as a peaceful protest

[nailer]

Originally Posted by whell

... In 2008, black males age 18 to 24 years-old had the highest homicide victimization rate (91.1 homicides per 100,000). That rate was more than double the rate for black males age 25 or older (38.4 homicides per 100,000) and almost triple the rate for black males age 14 to 17 (31.4 homicides per 100,000).[/I]

Why the BLM folks aren't focused on reducing these types of crimes, I don't know. I guess because there's no one around with a cell phone recording video when most of these crimes are occurring?

Why aren't we as a nation? Your/DOJ's statistics demonstrate a consequence of the article's point.

[Tom Joad]

Pretty good article here giving the black perspective.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/10/op...ls-to-see.html

We all can see the same videos. But you insist that the camera doesn’t tell the whole story. Of course you’re right, but you don’t really want to see or hear that story.

At birth, you are given a pair of binoculars that see black life from a distance, never with the texture of intimacy. Those binoculars are privilege; they are status, regardless of your class. In fact the greatest privilege that exists is for white folk to get stopped by a cop and not end up dead when the encounter is over.

Those binoculars are also stories, bad stories, biased stories, harmful stories, about how black people are lazy, or dumb, or slick, or immoral, people who can’t be helped by the best schools or even God himself. These beliefs don’t make it into contemporary books, or into most classrooms. But they are passed down, informally, from one white mind to the next.

The problem is you do not want to know anything different from what you think you know. Your knowledge of black life, of the hardships we face, yes, those we sometimes create, those we most often endure, don’t concern you much. You think we have been handed everything because we have fought your selfish insistence that the world, all of it — all its resources, all its riches, all its bounty, all its grace — should be yours first, and foremost, and if there’s anything left, why then we can have some, but only if we ask politely and behave gratefully.

So you demand the Supreme Court give you back what was taken from you: more space in college classrooms that you dominate; better access to jobs in fire departments and police forces that you control. All the while your resentment builds, and your slow hate gathers steam. Your whiteness has become a burden too heavy for you to carry, so you outsource it to a vile political figure who amplifies your most detestable private thoughts.

Whiteness is blindness. It is the wish not to see what it will not know.

If you do not know us, you also refuse to hear us because you do not believe what we say. You have decided that enough is enough. If the cops must kill us for no good reason, then so be it because most of us are guilty anyway. If the black person that they kill turns out to be innocent, it is an acceptable death, a sacrificial one.

more here

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

Its not grotesquely unfair of you - though pretty typical - to miss the point. The most recent violent events - St Paul and Phoenix - are the ones I was referring to. Subtract Dallas from the equation completely, and the observation that outbreaks of violence at BLM protests have occurred still stands. The observation that the "violence" that has been alleged at any prior Tea Party function pales in comparison to still stands.

Subtract Dallas from the equation completely and what is actually happening this summer at BLM protests amounts to a little rock throwing.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by nailer

Why aren't we as a nation? Your/DOJ's statistics demonstrate a consequence of the article's point.

Whell views this as an isolated phenomenon which proves that back people as a group are more violent than other groups.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Subtract Dallas from the equation completely and what is actually happening this summer at BLM protests amounts to a little rock throwing.

Wrong again:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/08/politi...tol-tennessee/

The TBI says the preliminary investigation reveals Scott may have targeted individuals and officers after being troubled by recent incidents involving African-Americans and law enforcement officers in other parts of the country. Investigators spoke to Scott Friday morning in the hospital.

According to the police report of the incident, witnesses heard a gunman yelling, "Police suck! Black lives matter!" around 2 a.m. ET, as he opened fire, the law enforcement official said. Police say the gunman killed one woman (a female newspaper carrier) and wounded three others, including the police officer.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Subtract Dallas from the equation completely and what is actually happening this summer at BLM protests amounts to a little rock throwing.

...don't forget the Molotov cocktails...

[68custom]

I think it is fair to say white people are treated differently by the police. also fair to say not every black guy out there is selling drugs or committing some other crime. as for a equitable way forward, I got nothing...

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

Wrong again:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/08/politi...tol-tennessee/

The TBI says the preliminary investigation reveals Scott may have targeted individuals and officers after being troubled by recent incidents involving African-Americans and law enforcement officers in other parts of the country. Investigators spoke to Scott Friday morning in the hospital.

According to the police report of the incident, witnesses heard a gunman yelling, "Police suck! Black lives matter!" around 2 a.m. ET, as he opened fire, the law enforcement official said. Police say the gunman killed one woman (a female newspaper carrier) and wounded three others, including the police officer.

What the fuck does this have to do with BLM other than the fact that the sniper uttered those three words?

Better put a patch on that racism leak.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

...don't forget the Molotov cocktails...

How about a link?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

It certainly makes a point that you're apparently incapable of grasping or chose not to acknowledge. Let me try it one more time.

Inflammatory rhetoric is, in my opinion, cut from the same cloth as the emotional overdrive that turns peaceful protests into violent ones. It also undercuts reasonable debate because it blurs the meaning of certain words or phrases due to their misuse (the "dog whistle effect", if you will).

The Politico article I posted that referred to the Tea Party as terrorists - and there are plenty more articles like that - redefines terrorism as the legitimate use of protest and activism to produce an outcome that opponents don't support. Frankly, that reaction - and the use of the term "terrorism in this case - by the left is surprising because the left has a tradition of using protests and activism to achieve political goals. So when the term "terrorism" rebounds and is used in the context of some of the violence that has occurred during BLM events, its prior misuse becomes self defeating by those who used it.

You may disagree, but the Tea Party activists never resorted to "terrorism". If anything, they used non-violent protests and activism that has typically been a tradition on the left. The BLM events have turned violent, however. Protesters have been calling for violence against police. While there is no proof of terrorism in these activities, the violence and calls for violence do invite criticism and questions. When the definition of the word "terrorism" gets blurred, however, its may get easier to make the case for opponents of the movement that BLM members are behaving like terrorists.

So your point was that because some people wrongly called the non-violent Tea Party guys terrorists, others are led to wrongly call some violent 'BLM' guys (if that what they were) terrorists?

OK, agreed. Was there anything else?

BTW, let me explain a little about 'dog whistles.' The word doesn't refer to vague or blurred definition words. It refers to words that carry extra meaning, a bigoted meaning, that mainly just a target audience easily understands, in addition to their ordinary meaning that everyone understands. So for example, saying 'urban thugs' means 'violent criminals in the city' to everybody, but people familiar with the rhetoric understand it to mean 'black criminals,' or, in a word, 'niggers.' Because it's a dog whistle, only some people hear the coded meaning, the same way only a dog hears a dog whistle.

It's good not to let the meaning of useful terms like 'dog whistle' become vague or blurred.


* speaking loosely both times as regards the Tea Party and BLM identifications