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Yes I do, he is the most trustworthy in the race. 
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ROTFLMAO!
When are we going to see Dodgy Donald's tax returns?
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07-05-2016, 12:24 PM
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ROTFLMAO!
When are we going to see Dodgy Donald's tax returns? 
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When Careless Clinton shows the transcripts of her Wall Street speeches
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07-05-2016, 12:29 PM
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When Careless Clinton shows the transcripts of her Wall Street speeches 
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So, she's been downgraded from crooked to careless?
I've heard she's going to be sentenced to house arrest for eight years for Benghazi, to be served at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
BTW, if there was anything to those speeches? We would've already heard of it by now.
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07-05-2016, 12:54 PM
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So, she's been downgraded from crooked to careless?
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Her nickname should be changed from "Crooked Hillary" to "Extremely Careless Hillary", and Trump should get on it right away too.
Although, the "Crooked Hillary" theme is catching on. I heard that some bimbo on ABC blurted it out by mistake.
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07-05-2016, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy
Her nickname should be changed from "Crooked Hillary" to "Extremely Careless Hillary", and Trump should get on it right away too.
Although, the "Crooked Hillary" theme is catching on. I heard that some bimbo on ABC blurted it out by mistake.
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Nope. Still Crooked Hillary. This whole thing stinks to high heaven. Here's the relevant statute:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
So, according to Comey, Hillary:
- extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information
- in seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received, she was both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters on her personal server, and Clinton " should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation"
- "all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail"
- the State Department in general, and with respect to use of unclassified e-mail systems in particular, was generally lacking in the kind of care for classified information found elsewhere in the government
So, if all of that is true, how did she not violate the law as quoted above?
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07-05-2016, 01:21 PM
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I bet Bryan H. Nishimura is wishing for a do over...
https://www.fbi.gov/sacramento/press...fied-materials
SACRAMENTO, CA—Bryan H. Nishimura, 50, of Folsom, pleaded guilty today to unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials, United States Attorney Benjamin B. Wagner announced.
U.S. Magistrate Judge Kendall J. Newman immediately sentenced Nishimura to two years of probation, a $7,500 fine, and forfeiture of personal media containing classified materials. Nishimura was further ordered to surrender any currently held security clearance and to never again seek such a clearance.
According to court documents, Nishimura was a Naval reservist deployed in Afghanistan in 2007 and 2008. In his role as a Regional Engineer for the U.S. military in Afghanistan, Nishimura had access to classified briefings and digital records that could only be retained and viewed on authorized government computers. Nishimura, however, caused the materials to be downloaded and stored on his personal, unclassified electronic devices and storage media. He carried such classified materials on his unauthorized media when he traveled off-base in Afghanistan and, ultimately, carried those materials back to the United States at the end of his deployment. In the United States, Nishimura continued to maintain the information on unclassified systems in unauthorized locations, and copied the materials onto at least one additional unauthorized and unclassified system.
Nishimura’s actions came to light in early 2012, when he admitted to Naval personnel that he had handled classified materials inappropriately. Nishimura later admitted that, following his statement to Naval personnel, he destroyed a large quantity of classified materials he had maintained in his home. Despite that, when the Federal Bureau of Investigation searched Nishimura’s home in May 2012, agents recovered numerous classified materials in digital and hard copy forms. The investigation did not reveal evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute classified information to unauthorized personnel.
This case was the product of an investigation by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Assistant United States Attorney Jean M. Hobler prosecuted the case.
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07-05-2016, 01:27 PM
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Hillary using a private server was stupid, but it is not illegal to do things that are stupid!
we will see her in the white house.
the thing that really sucks is how divided we have become...
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07-05-2016, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by whell
Nope. Still Crooked Hillary. This whole thing stinks to high heaven. Here's the relevant statute:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
So, according to Comey, Hillary:
- extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information
- in seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received, she was both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters on her personal server, and Clinton " should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation"
- "all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail"
- the State Department in general, and with respect to use of unclassified e-mail systems in particular, was generally lacking in the kind of care for classified information found elsewhere in the government
So, if all of that is true, how did she not violate the law as quoted above?
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I'm with ya. Anyone who's ever signed gov forms to get a clearance knows she's guilty. Even if you accept the premise that she didn't know any better (which is ludicrous), everyone knows that ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
Why would anyone want someone so flippant and reckless to run their country? I'll take an arrogant, ill mannered but successful business man over an incompetent careless fool any day.
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07-05-2016, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 68custom
Hillary using a private server was stupid, but it is not illegal to do things that are stupid!
we will see her in the white house.
the thing that really sucks is how divided we have become...
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Agreed. This schism goes all the way back to Newt Gingrich's tenure, imo.
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07-05-2016, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 68custom
Hillary using a private server was stupid, but it is not illegal to do things that are stupid!
we will see her in the white house.
the thing that really sucks is how divided we have become...
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While I agree that it's not illegal to do things that are stupid, it is stupid to do things that are stupid. It's also stupid to do things that are illegal, and it's illegal to to things that are illegal, and she did things that were illegal. The FBI has just decided that those illegal things don't warrant pressing charges.
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