Hillary For President

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by bobabode

It's called self disenfranchising. It costs nothing to join the party that you wish to have a voice in.

Why should you have to join a club you want no part of in order to vote?

[icenine]

You see the problem with being an independent is that there is no real party to belong to. If there was the Independent Party, with enough voters to participate at the same level as the two traditional parties in the primaries there would be an actual political force.
As it is being an independent is just a way of being a weak Republican or a weak Democrat since they tend to align themselves with either one eventually. Plus the dissolution of power disables a powerful majority in Congress and split-ticket voting which leads to what we have now.
Yeah someone will say there is an actual independent party but no not really.

One of the problems Sanders caused himself was not being a Democrat for all those years. No superdelegate one was going to switch from Hillary to him even if he got close enough to make them think about it. All the superdelegates are establishment Democrats.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Why should you have to join a club you want no part of in order to vote?

Were you playing hookey when they taught civics studies in Jr. High School?

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Were you playing hookey when they taught civics studies in Jr. High School?

Quit deflecting and answer the question.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Quit deflecting and answer the question.

I'm sure you think you have a trump card here Tom but it's simply a reduction to the absurd argument. Even this old nailpounder can see that game.

Sorry, request denied.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Why should you have to join a club you want no part of in order to vote?

Because it's part of the party system.

The basic idea is that a party is a group of people who cooperate because they share something (principles, interests, whatever) and want to government to operate accordingly. A 'party establishment' is a natural consequence, and may not be all-bad at all times....

The founders were not fans of parties, but we have them anyway. I really don't see a way to get rid of them. Diminish them, sure, but even unofficially, party-like behavior would continue.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Sorry, request denied.

I don't blame you.

I wouldn't want to try to justify disenfranchising 40% of the electorate either.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Were you playing hookey when they taught civics studies in Jr. High School?

this was taught?

Civics was what, half hour a day for half a year one time course?

I think most the course was dedicated to the anti smoking campaign.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by noonereal

this was taught?

Civics was what, half hour a day for half a year one time course?

I think most the course was dedicated to the anti smoking campaign.

We had a required course in High School called Americanism vs. Communism.

You can imagine what that shit was like.

http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/19...00014.h02.html

The year was 1961. John F. Kennedy was in the White House, Nikita Khruschev was in the Kremlin. The ill-fated Bay of Pigs invasion was a recent and still painful memory.

Mr. McConnell says he remembers well the political mood in the Miami school system--and in the rest of Florida--at the time.

"We had to sign a loyalty oath before we were allowed to teach," said Mr. McConnell, now the director of social studies for the Pinellas County school system, the 24th largest in the country.

"We were all caught up in the cold-war mentality. People believed there were subversives in every segment of society, including the schools."

Largely as a result of that belief, Florida legislators that year passed a law requiring all high-school students to take a course extolling the virtues of "Americanism" over communism. The legislators said they wanted to make sure Florida students understood the true nature of the "communist threat." After all, they said, Castro's Cuba lies only 90 miles south of Key West.

Although Florida education officials say no two school districts meet the "Americanism versus Communism" requirement exactly the same way, the wording of the law is quite explicit: "The 'Americanism versus Communism' course shall lay particular emphasis upon the dangers of communism, the ways to fight communism, the evils of communism, the fallacies of communism, and the false doctrines of communism.

"No teacher or textual material assigned to this course shall present communism as preferable to the system of constitutional government and the free-enterprise competitive economy indigenous to the United States."

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

We had a required course in High School called Americanism vs. Communism.

You can imagine what that shit was like.

lol..............