Officer in Freddie Gray Case Acquitted On All Charges

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Then explain why Freddie Gray was crying out in pain and couldn't use his legs after Nero "jacked him up".

He could use his legs before entering the van, and Nero never touched him. Heck, even the Baltimore Mayor stated that she saw him using his legs before getting into the van.

"He was dragged a bit," said Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, "but then you see him using his legs to get into the van, so he was able-bodied when he was in the van. And we know that when he was finally taken out of the van, he was unresponsive."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/22/us/bal...-what-we-know/

Either you need to get your facts straight, or you're just not interested in the facts because they don't suit your agenda.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

Sure it does. As usual, you don't grasp it. It speaks directly to the case the prosecution was making in the Gray case. Specifically:

The case was before the SCOTUS because "...the Illinois Supreme Court determined that sudden flight in such an area does not create a reasonable suspicion justifying a Terry stop." In the Gray case, the Prosecution argued that that Nero and other officers assaulted Gray by touching him without reasonable suspicion or probable cause (that Gray fleeing from Police was not reasonable suspicion or probable cause).

In Illinois v Wardlow, SCOTUS reversed Illinois Supreme Court. If you actually read through the SCOTUS opinion, it goes into quite a bit of detail about why they reversed for reasons specific to the arguments the Prosecution in the Gray case made at trial.

No, it doesn't. Your post was in response to this one of mine and offered in answer to the question I posed. It isn't. It isn't even close.

http://politicalchat.org/showpost.ph...9&postcount=40

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

He could use his legs before entering the van, and Nero never touched him. Heck, even the Baltimore Mayor stated that she saw him using his legs before getting into the van.

"He was dragged a bit," said Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, "but then you see him using his legs to get into the van, so he was able-bodied when he was in the van. And we know that when he was finally taken out of the van, he was unresponsive."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/22/us/bal...-what-we-know/

Either you need to get your facts straight, or you're just not interested in the facts because they don't suit your agenda.

Watch the video.

[finnbow]

The long and the short of it - I trust the judge more than I trust idle Internet speculation. Unless and until I sit through the entire trial in person, I see no point in second-guessing what happened.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

I have decided I don't care about Freddie Gray. (gasp). I didn't know him, he didn't live in my city.

His arrest record a few pages long - drug possession, assault, distribution, etc. - 18 arrests. He was walking the street.

Maybe the cops were just sick of him - who knows? Sooner or later the universe has caught up with me for the stupid sh&t I've done.

Karma is a bitch - with that record prob. would have been smart to keep a low profile.

So the cops can kill with impunity, as long as it's people you don't care about?

To just start with the glaringly obvious, in that case, what's to stop them from killing someone you do care about?

As a practical matter, there are two answers: race and class.

The bottom line: you like discrimination, and don't give a fig for the rights of 'those people.' Typical right-wing sentiments, alas.

[catswiththum]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

So the cops can kill with impunity, as long as it's people you don't care about?

To just start with the glaringly obvious, in that case, what's to stop them from killing someone you do care about?

As a practical matter, there are two answers: race and class.

The bottom line: you like discrimination, and don't give a fig for the rights of 'those people.' Typical right-wing sentiments, alas.

Why are you asking me questions? I should post a "You Can't Handle the Truth" meme.

Hating and killing - bad.

Assuming it does not happen - idiotic.

Avoiding cops who might hate you - wise.

Me pretending to care about some kid I have never met with a ten page arrest record - dishonest.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

Why are you asking me questions? I should post a "You Can't Handle the Truth" meme.

Hating and killing - bad.

Assuming it does not happen - idiotic.

Avoiding cops who might hate you - wise.

Me pretending to care about some kid I have never met with a ten page arrest record - dishonest.

I see.

You don't hate Freddie Gray.

You just don't give a shit that he's dead.

And pointing out that he had an extensive arrest record was not you implying that he had it coming. It was just an FYI.

And the part about avoiding cops that hate you, that was just advisory in nature. It wasn't you implying that he brought it all on himself.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I see.

You don't hate Freddie Gray.

You just don't give a shit that he's dead.

And pointing out that he had an extensive arrest record was not you implying that he had it coming. It was just an FYI.

And the part about avoiding cops that hate you, that was just advisory in nature. It wasn't you implying that he brought it all on himself.

nice reply tom

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

Why are you asking me questions? I should post a "You Can't Handle the Truth" meme.

Hating and killing - bad.

Assuming it does not happen - idiotic.

Avoiding cops who might hate you - wise.

Me pretending to care about some kid I have never met with a ten page arrest record - dishonest.

The implication seems very strong that since you 'don't care about Freddie Gray,' you don't care if the cops just kill him. Is that the case? Yes or no.

And what gives you the notion that I can't handle the truth? I think the phrase is code. I think it means "Fuck the rules."

At least regarding people you don't care about. And you can't handle the implications of that, when I bring them out a little.

[catswiththum]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

So the cops can kill with impunity, as long as it's people you don't care about?

To just start with the glaringly obvious, in that case, what's to stop them from killing someone you do care about?

As a practical matter, there are two answers: race and class.

The bottom line: you like discrimination, and don't give a fig for the rights of 'those people.' Typical right-wing sentiments, alas.

Aaaaannnnd furthermore -

There are dead people lying around all over the place I don't know. I don't care about them, either.

You are correct in one of your speculations - I do care about the circumstances surrounding death as it may affect me or people I do care about. And until/if the machinations of gov. manage to correct said circumstances I will do my utmost to avoid them.